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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

To answer the OP's question I think prog will survive. Many of the so called "old" listeners have children who are fans and some even have grandchildren who are fans. Then there's probably a lot of younger people who discovered prog on their own who will keep prog going for who knows how long. If you look at the birthdays at the bottom of the forum page you will see that the prog fans on here are of many different ages. Id' say it's pretty spread out.


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To answer the OP's question I think prog will survive. Many of the so called "old" listeners have children who are fans and some even have grandchildren who are fans. Then there's probably a lot of younger people who discovered prog on their own who will keep prog going for who knows how long. If you look at the birthdays at the bottom of the forum page you will see that the prog fans on here are of many different ages. Id' say it's pretty spread out.

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This is a no brainer.

The future of prog is certainly secure. It continues swimmingly, thank-you.

Last I looked, there are two/three new prog BANDS popping up every day.
That says something.

Beats the heyday of prog in early seventies.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

I think that there always be artists who want to write good, challenging music, no matter what the genre, so Prog, it seems to me, will always continue to exist, if even in a very obscure, non popular way, just like we see some young composers writing classical music, jazz, blues, etc.

Hi,

May I change this somewhat?

Very few folks start what they do because they wanted to write something, or paint something or play something. Most of them, eventually developed beyond a certain point, which showed a completely different quality from (let's say) a student.

Being young or old, is not exactly a requirement for an artist, although there is a lot that can be said for youth, and its tendency to reject the "rules" (so to speak), in the end, they end up becoming the folks that create a new set of "rules" ... and few of them are varied enough to continue being a rebel when they are in the 60's or 70's.

The main issue, is our ability to be able to find out who "has it" and "who doesn't" (and is just faking their way through it) ... and there are many ways .. some believe in numbers, and some don't. Some folks don't need the numbers and stand out ... for what they do, and you can always use someone like a Frank Zappa as a perfect example ... and they end up creating the numbers that no one believed in!

In the end, there is some "magic" (gosh I hate using that word!!!) in the work that makes us come back to it, and enjoy it ... we still hear Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and so many others, because of that "magic" and we use it the same way for a lot of pop music, jazz music and other examples. That "magic" is hard to define since there is no specific definition to it, but somehow we look at it ... sort of like the bird brain woman that can see you in any spot in the room! 

To me, numbers, are for people that lack the beauty of the totality of the music ( in this example), because they are not going to listen, or rate anything else but the top 10 songs (so to speak) they like ... which in terms of "progressive music" is extremely regressive. But try to say that to a megalomaniac! They are just following the commercial/industrial mode of it all ... because, I suppose, they know about nothing else!


I like the term "Magic" you are using. That magic is what makes us play a song/album/symphony, etc. over and over again. That magic inspires other artists to continue pushing the envelope and coming up with new ideas/sounds/genres etc. That magic, that pure genius is what separates great music/artists, from the rest, and that's what keeps the wheel going around. That's the magic I'm sure will never disappear. 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I just translated it from the German “Mondschein” … too literally. I stand corrected, it’s called the moonlight sonata.

I wasn't trying to correct you, accidental humor is awesome. Thumbs Up
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I just translated it from the German “Mondschein” … too literally. I stand corrected, it’s called the moonlight sonata.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I’m currently learning to play Beethoven’s moonshine sonata. Seriously progressive stuff

Moonshine sonata?! LOL I don't know that one. Was Beethoven a bootlegger? LOL
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The Elizabethan Era… I’ll have to check it out.
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I’m currently learning to play Beethoven’s moonshine sonata. Seriously progressive stuff
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Prog just seems to bump on and on-there will always be people interested in challenging music. 

I view the classic material, including the best things coming out since the '70s, the way I view classical and Jazz. I routinely go back to music as early as the Elizabethan era because John Dowland was the original rock star. Much of my current exploration focuses on newer prog releases, classic Jazz, and filling in the blanks in my classic collection. Charlie Parker, Django Reinhardt, and Ornette Coleman are every bit as relevant today as they were when they were active. Popularity fades, but quality art has timeless durability. As long as quality music remains available, it will be explored by the adventurous.
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^ Yes, especially last year (2023) was a really good year for prog, so many strong releases most of which not conforming to any rigid template. Clap
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Originally posted by Boojieboy Boojieboy wrote:

The albums of the 70's have more than proven that they will stand the test of time. Nothing can destroy them. Quite the contrary, the Internet and YouTube have enormously helped and promoted them. 

The big decline has already taken place, in the 80's and 90's, when there was no way to promote the music. But the Internet fixed and changed all that permanently. 70's prog. availability and promotion is stronger now than ever, due to the universal availability of the Internet, and previously rare and out-of print music firmly available.

The music and technology have guaranteed permanence, and there is no reliance on age, memory, and word-of-mouth.

I thought the "future of prog." topic would deal with the changes in prog. since its glory days. There's an obvious lack in originality with new prog. compared to the original innovators who created everything from scratch. To me at least, the future of prog. won't be in new bands, but continuing to celebrate the originals of the 70's.
What an uninformed opinion. Someone belongs on RegArchives (for regressive rock). If you're stuck listening to The Flower Kings, then sure, there is a lack in originality. But get beyond the bands aping the 70s and there's a wealth of originality in prog rock (and beyond just prog "rock") of the present.
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I'm in my early 20s and love '70s prog, with any luck I'll be bopping to all those albums on their 100th anniversaries. I like newer prog too of course, my favorite band at the moment is Cardiacs from the 80s and 90s, and I also love Moon Safari, Needlepoint, Black Midi, Squid, Major Parkinson, and plenty others I'm not thinking of now. I love playing prog songs around friends of mine and seeing which ones they like/comment on. Some of them were very into Gong (Camembert Electrique and Acid Motherhood) and Crac by Area when I put them on during a road trip (these folks were already fans of proggy stuff like Black Midi, King Gizzard, Black Country New Road). Another one put some Cardiacs and "Cento Mani e Cento Occhi" into their liked songs to shuffle alongside modern pop. 

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

I think that there always be artists who want to write good, challenging music, no matter what the genre, so Prog, it seems to me, will always continue to exist, if even in a very obscure, non popular way, just like we see some young composers writing classical music, jazz, blues, etc.





In the end, there is some "magic" (gosh I hate using that word!!!) in the work that makes us come back to it, and enjoy it ... 

Yep.  Ya know it when you hear it. 
We can't hear it all though.
So much out there, that much of it just passes us by, and on into obscurity.

60 years of prog, you'd think every tree has been climbed. No?
I see hope for the future in avant-garde, krautrock and eclectic prog. But it's not really prog proper IS IT?
I personally don't care if it is or not, I'm glad this site represents all that's new and Magical and INTERESTING.

Prog Metal to a degree, for the younger bunch.


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The albums of the 70's have more than proven that they will stand the test of time. Nothing can destroy them. Quite the contrary, the Internet and YouTube have enormously helped and promoted them. 

The big decline has already taken place, in the 80's and 90's, when there was no way to promote the music. But the Internet fixed and changed all that permanently. 70's prog. availability and promotion is stronger now than ever, due to the universal availability of the Internet, and previously rare and out-of print music firmly available.

The music and technology have guaranteed permanence, and there is no reliance on age, memory, and word-of-mouth.

I thought the "future of prog." topic would deal with the changes in prog. since its glory days. There's an obvious lack in originality with new prog. compared to the original innovators who created everything from scratch. To me at least, the future of prog. won't be in new bands, but continuing to celebrate the originals of the 70's.


Edited by Boojieboy - April 12 2024 at 09:50
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

To me, numbers, are for people that lack the beauty of the totality of the music ( in this example), because they are not going to listen, or rate anything else but the top 10 songs (so to speak) they like ... which in terms of "progressive music" is extremely regressive. But try to say that to a megalomaniac! They are just following the commercial/industrial mode of it all ... because, I suppose, they know about nothing else!

Who do you think this applies to? I have listened to 254 releases of 2023 (for example), and most of those were really low-profile artists, far from any "top 10" list. It seems ironic to me to say that "I'm not going to listen", if indeed this is meant to apply to me. 
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Nah, he means these...
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Or these numbers?
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^Maybe this?

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What are these "numbers" that you keep talking about? Ratings? Record sales? House numbers? My social security number? Time signatures? The time of day?
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