Five best albums for someone brand new to prog

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   ^ I can't tell if Valdez is being slightly serious, or just joking. Entirely serious he is obviously not. Maybe he didn't like the way you described women in prog. I think I sort of get the point you're trying to make, but it's very harsh. They can't all be Miley, poor souls.

 moshkito wrote:

 Valdez wrote:

 moshkito wrote:

but sadly, many of them appear sexless, and the women in many of those bands are just another guy from the band ... so to speak!

Goodbye PA.   It was fun. lolol.

Hi,

As much music as is all over the place, to think that Miley or Taylor are too stupid to not hear anything except their own pop music, is a bit weird. The weird thing, from OUR PERSPECTIVE, is that we think that folks are not well versed enough to do something else, and might be a record company stooge of some sort, and I don't think that Miley or Taylor belong in that category, and they are probably standing up for themselves.

I'm very glad to see those folks break the rules, and do something else. And I think we will see more. And I have this feeling that the days of bubblegum pop crap music are probably in trouble and need another fix, and it isn't gonna happen with cardboard women, or inflatables!   

PA, is always going to have issues with artists doing their own thing. And it will come sooner or later, since so much of the stuff being mentioned and getting attention is stuff that does not have the pizzass that so much other stuff is showing, because so many bands are doing a cheap version of a theory, and not working the emotional side of the whole thing that is the history of the loud and strong talent in the business for many years.

New prog, if it comes via folks like Miley, is probably in good hands, rather than folks that have too little music in their hearts ... except an idea, they can't translate into a reality! 

Music is not all notes!!! And maybe we haven't noticed. And if we're going to help folks find out about music, we have to go with the best, and least conventional, but sometimes we're afraid that it won't happen.

I can tell you from the days of Guy Guden in Santa Barbara that the major problem was not the music, but the folks that were afraid their favorites were not going to get attention ... which was the same ting as saying that they had no music ability and talent whatsoever, to be selecting the same thing as everyone else! We did not, as far as I remember, had any issues with the new music, and the appreciation has been shown in Guy's shows with so many promos and thank you's for so many years, since 1974. 

It's a tribute to the music, and us thinking that Miley is a joke, is sad ... and kinda weird. It's like we don't want it ... and that is crazy!
-but I'm glad you listened, recognized and appreciated the emotional outburst and heart in that Miley song. That to me is keeping an open mind. Oftentimes, in the last couple of decades really, when I've tried out a recent, supposedly "progressive rock" band, I catch myself thinking in similar ways like you do. Regardless of whether it's an act coming from the so-called retro or avant-camp*, rarely do I find myself emotionally engaged in the music. And I don't want to sound as dismissive as you du, because I think it's a bit unfair. But maybe it's because whoever I'm listening to are lacking in that emotional department themselves. As if there's nothing really there for them to express. There probably is, but they haven't located it - or found a way to use it as a musical expression. Or maybe they are afraid to do so. So yes, I'd take Miley (well, not all of her songs) over... Polyphia any day of the week.  

*Ideally something progressive shouldn't come from any specific camp. Which is probably why I find most music that feels fresh, unique, something yet unheard - or progressive if you will - either outside of, or in the fringes or realms of Progachives. That said, whenever the music registers and I actually do feel something, any thoughts about copies of copies are gone. I enjoy music that remind me of something else as well. If I connect, I connect.

Ron Carter (or someone who handles his account) posted this one the other day:) 