Credibility

but The Doctor is here.  Who do I need to vanquish with my sonic screwdriver? 

meinmatrix wrote: The Whistler wrote:   However, some musical "artforms" just cannot properly utilize progressive ideals. For examples, I somehow doubt that a prog-rap thing could ever happen, since rap is based on a very simple, streamlined beat and someone talking. Any attempts to "prog it up" would be silly at best, or ear destructive otherwise. Can you imagine a ten minute rap with a lush, baroque counter melody in the background? Well, since Opeth managed to pull it with putting Death Metal and Melodic Prog together, why not? I could imagine a rap epic. Someone just has to do it.

Pain of Salvation?

bhikkhu wrote: I think we need the super science of Professor Frink

This isn't for a joke really, I meant this thread to be totally honest and serious, if anyone has something more to say about my post, please keep commenting on it.

Message to P.H.P :

I originally supported your post because I tend to be rather rigid in my definition of prog. However now that I have caught up on all the posting today, I think you have maybe gone too far. Tony and all the admins have put together the best prog website on the net, and while I may not always agree with everything they decide, I can't fault their efforts. Furthermore, I think Easy Livin made a valid point on page two about attracting new people to the site and to prog in general. Keep up the good work admins!

(note to self... hmmm how to go about getting Radiohead removed.....)

OOPS... did I say that out loud?

Edited by Walker - September 02 2007 at 23:41

Hahaha, probably a newbie posting to PA, but certainly I'm quite far from being a noob in prog matters.

And I think...excluding the bands I did mention, PA is a massive site (I see the hard work done by many people here), it's well constructed and very inclusive, maybe too much, and pitifully because of that I think it couldn't be the best in terms of prog accuracy (think of quality & quantity), this will sound like spam, but for those of you who know spanish there's a good site http://www.manticornio.com (with not so good review or rating systems like PA), but I think it's more accurate with our prog, I would love to visit a site that could be the mix between the hard work done here in the technical construction and the appreciations of this site I tell you, they don't have any band that could consists in a doubt of "progginess", and I think the difference is that the site I'm talking about is closed for public and it's done by mature experts, something that will sound bad, but in the end it's kind of good to keep the prog with margins on it, so in the meantime I visit both.

Thanks.

P.H.P. wrote: Hahaha, probably a newbie posting to PA, but certainly I'm quite far from being a noob in prog matters. And I think...excluding the bands I did mention, PA is a massive site (I see the hard work done by many people here), it's well constructed and very inclusive, maybe too much, and pitifully because of that I think it couldn't be the best in terms of prog accuracy (think of quality & quantity), this will sound like spam, but for those of you who know spanish there's a good site http://www.manticornio.com (with not so good review or rating systems like PA), but I think it's more accurate with our prog, I would love to visit a site that could be the mix between the hard work done here in the technical construction and the appreciations of this site I tell you, they don't have any band that could consists in a doubt of "progginess", and I think the difference is that the site I'm talking about is closed for public and it's done by mature experts, something that will sound bad, but in the end it's kind of good to keep the prog with margins on it, so in the meantime I visit both. Thanks.

Well I'm 46, how mature does one have to be.
Prog has undergone a revival over the past couple of years and I like to think we've played a part in that. We are all about being inclusive and spreading the word. Bringing in new fans using our methods is a way of guaranteeing that the current revival isnt a flash in the pan but rather something that can be sustained. With all due respect a non-inclusive site with the attitude you suggest is only going to ensure that Prog disappears for good over the next ten years.
Good luck with that. If we rely on your self-serving model,you'll still have all your old albums but there will be no-one producing anything new, trust me.

This site intends to bring as many new fans as possible to prog. If that means broadening the definition somewhat then so be it. You have to move with the times, the inability to do this or judge the esprit de temps is what led to prog's original downfall - we dont intend to let that happen again.

Oh and for one last time: prog-related and proto-prog bands are not considered to be prog rock bands by any member of the admin team or the webmaster.

While i agree with you Pot head pixie, we must put up with that and eventually, while the archives are growing with bands that we consider regressive, it's constantly enriched by real prog, so avoid the bad and concentrate on the good. Despite of that, PA reminds the best prog site on the Web, and technically the most accomplished (thanks people).

Edited by oliverstoned - September 03 2007 at 12:47

Tony R wrote: Well I'm 46, how mature does one have to be.

At 42, I'm even more of a babe in the woods.