PA's Battle to Stardom C2: Opeth v. VDGG

AlexUC wrote: MrEdifus wrote: AlexUC wrote: birdwithteeth11 wrote: AlexUC wrote: VDGG. Could never accept Opeth as a prog band, I still can't hear the prog influences... And I hate that cliche Death Metal grunting  I'm sorry, but I laughed at that statement. If you're trying to slyly imply that Opeth is "just another death metal band" like I've heard people do on this forum before, then that's far from the truth. I can give you three clear reason why: 1) Opeth is much, much lighter than most other death metal bands, 2) they use extended song lengths (not many death metal bands crank out 10 minute song after 10 minute song), and 3) their songwriting is much more mature and complex than most other death metal bands. Akerfeldt has also sighted progressive rock as a major influence in the music he makes, especially Camel and Porcupine Tree. If you don't like them because of the harsh vocals, that's perfectly fine, and they most certainly aren't a "progressive rock" band in the sense of 70s prog rock, but please don't go saying they aren't a prog band in any sense because that's simply not true. Again, I still can't hear the prog influences and I dislike the vocals. That's all. If you can't accept that, sorry, that's the ugliness of the diversity. Saying a band is prog or not, is just a matter of opinion, so don't come telling me what I must think If the main songwriter cited prog influences, then they're there. Sure. It's a shame that I can't hear them, maybe I'm missing something

It is a shame you can't tell. Especially when such influences are right there in the music. I'm wondering if you honestly even payed attention to anything I said. And if saying a band is prog or not is a matter of opinion, well then how do we even know what's prog and what isn't? I also appreciate the fact that you never commented on anything I said, but just continued to spout your opinion. If you want to have a debate about this, I'm more than willing to engage you, but you need to bring some cold, hard facts along with you. Otherwise I'll just drop the issue right here.

AlexUC wrote: birdwithteeth11 wrote: It is a shame you can't tell. Especially when such influences are right there in the music. I'm wondering if you honestly even payed attention to anything I said. Opinions, opinions my friend. Yes, maybe I'm not being very fair, don't know, BPark and SLife never catch me... Of course something different happens with Damnation, but this one doesn't count Out of these, I've only heard samples and myspace... I promise to give them a deeper try Alright. I appreciate the fact that you're at least willing to give them a try. And if saying a band is prog or not is a matter of opinion, well then how do we even know what's prog and what isn't? Yes, it's a matter of opinion. For example, here it depends on the opinions of the collaborators of the site, or does it exists the "Method for identifying a prog rock band"?. No, it's all about the people opinions, of course there are some guides, but you know... very open and fuzzy. If it wasn't, probably the discussion for including X in the archives would be less than 1 page. Don't you think? I understand what you mean, but if it's really all about people's opinions, then what's to say that Yes, Genesis, ELP, etc are progressive bands? You have to start somewhere. I also appreciate the fact that you never commented on anything I said, but just continued to spout your opinion. If you want to have a debate about this, I'm more than willing to engage you, but you need to bring some cold, hard facts along with you. Otherwise I'll just drop the issue right here. No no, it's just that discussing "this band is prog and this one not", is useless, endless and bothersome, so sorry if I'm being evasive on this one. I prefer to keep out on the seats Also understandable. The nice thing is that we get to leave those debates ultimately in the hands of the collaborators.

For me, this is a poll of "who gets annihilated in the next round?" VdGG never clicked for me, Opeth almost did not.

Opeth have recently grown on me and i like much.

But... Van Der Graff IS Van Der Graff and Hammill is a god!!!

Guess my vote....