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Posted: August 04 2005 at 09:54

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Posted: August 04 2005 at 10:18

TheProgtologist wrote:

stonebeard wrote:

i once ate an elephant...

I've eaten Emu meat before

Ostrich is also pretty good.

One thought: If a vegetarian only eats vegetables, then what does a humanitarian eat?

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Posted: August 04 2005 at 10:25

Citanul wrote:

TheProgtologist wrote:

stonebeard wrote:

i once ate an elephant...

I've eaten Emu meat before

Ostrich is also pretty good.

One thought: If a vegetarian only eats vegetables, then what does a humanitarian eat?

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Posted: August 04 2005 at 10:32

Citanul wrote:

TheProgtologist wrote:

stonebeard wrote:

i once ate an elephant...

I've eaten Emu meat before

Ostrich is also pretty good.

One thought: If a vegetarian only eats vegetables, then what does a humanitarian eat?

Now that is food for thought

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Posted: August 04 2005 at 13:01

JrKASperov wrote:

I'd like to add that according to the experts on this field, and according to evolution theory, that we are evolving. We are evolving into meat-eaters. This is shown in the facts that our mouth is getting to small for the teeth that grind plantfood; the widom teeth in particular are getting too little room. Another fact is we have a so called appendix vermiformis. This is one of the organs used to digest plants. Plants require a longer way through our organ system to be processed. (If in fact one would carefully study our feces, they would find tiny bits of unprocessed plants, if we of course ate those.) This organ is rudimentary, meaning that evolution 'did away with it' because we don't need it anymore and those without that organ are just as likely to survive. Another thing is that our brains started growing because of the meat-diet. Meat is what made us humans smarter.

Of course, this is all biologically speaking..

Biologically rather than factually, you mean.

Let's see some sources...I doubt that the 'experts' concluded that "Meat is what made us smarter"

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Posted: August 05 2005 at 18:15

nousommedusolei wrote:

I started being vegetarian (for about 3 months), but my old man cut me off.

Yep, that's what happened to Jim Garten too, apparently...

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Posted: August 05 2005 at 18:27

Tonight am going to have a thick and juicy Prime Rib...3 inches thick......MMMMM....Meat!!!

I might even choke down a vegetable while I'm at the restaurant as well.

Vegetarians are dorks.

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Posted: August 05 2005 at 19:40

Trouserpress wrote:

king of Siam wrote:

vegetarians are too pushy and look down on us Humans.
Ever had a conversaton with one without them trying not to convert you?

Talk to me sometime. You never know, I might not even mention it!

Sorry, but that's a f**king pathetic attitude you've got there, matey.

God, I am agreeing with TP!!!

My present companion is a vegeterian and I worked with her for a year and did not know. She never talked about it. Her reasons for being one is because she never could digest red meat properly and two it takes ten times more fresh water to get a pound of meat vs the equivelant plant value. Considering we both live in area where water is an issue (Southern California) she made a valid point and while I don't think I will ever stop eating meat I have scaled it back to three days a week.

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Posted: August 05 2005 at 20:33

James Lee- eating meat didn't make us smarter- it gave us time to get smarter. Knowledge bult on knowledge over eons. Can anybody name a herbivore with any intelligence above the level of herd beast? All intelligent species on earth eat meat- cats, dogs, bears, dolphins, raptors, you get the point. Don't you watch Discovery?

Take our nearest living cousins on the evolution tree, chimpanzees and gorillas, both basically herbivores, they have been around as long as our species. Get the picture. They are probably more intelligent than the carnivores mentioned above (except maybe dolphins and orcas, but that's another problem - no apendages - no , not the ones that you are thinking of, the ones used for manipulation), but they remain essentially unchanged. It was the combination of eating meat and learning to cook it, that fueled our own evolution.

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Posted: August 05 2005 at 20:33

Garion81 wrote:

Trouserpress wrote:

king of Siam wrote:

vegetarians are too pushy and look down on us Humans.
Ever had a conversaton with one without them trying not to convert you?

Talk to me sometime. You never know, I might not even mention it!

Sorry, but that's a f**king pathetic attitude you've got there, matey.

God, I am agreeing with TP!!!

You say that as if it's a rare occurance...

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Posted: August 05 2005 at 20:34

cobb wrote:

James Lee- eating meat didn't make us smarter- it gave us time to get smarter. Knowledge bult on knowledge over eons. Can anybody name a herbivore with any intelligence above the level of herd beast? All intelligent species on earth eat meat- cats, dogs, bears, dolphins, raptors, you get the point. Don't you watch Discovery?

Pigs are very intelligent.

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Posted: August 05 2005 at 20:35

Trouserpress wrote:

Pigs are very intelligent.

...they quite willing trample their offspring to death!

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Posted: August 05 2005 at 20:36

James Lee wrote:

JrKASperov wrote:

I'd like to add that according to the experts on this field, and
according to evolution theory, that we are evolving. We are evolving
into meat-eaters. This is shown in the facts that our mouth is getting
to small for the teeth that grind plantfood; the widom teeth in
particular are getting too little room. Another fact is we have a so
called appendix vermiformis. This is one of the organs used to
digest plants. Plants require a longer way through our organ system to
be processed. (If in fact one would carefully study our feces, they
would find tiny bits of unprocessed plants, if we of course ate those.)
This organ is rudimentary, meaning that evolution 'did away with it'
because we don't need it anymore and those without that organ are just
as likely to survive. Another thing is that our brains started growing
because of the meat-diet. Meat is what made us humans smarter.

Of course, this is all biologically speaking..

Biologically rather than factually, you mean.

Let's see some sources...I doubt that the 'experts' concluded that "Meat is what made us smarter"

Probably not as simple as that. Although 1 theory says that when our "ancestors" started to include meat in their diet it reduced the amount of time they needed to spend feeding and so freed up their brains to develop other skills.
So there you have it, music and prog is down to meat

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Posted: August 05 2005 at 20:37

spectral wrote:

Trouserpress wrote:

Pigs are very intelligent.

...they quite willing trample their offspring to death!

I'm sure most parents empathise...

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Posted: August 05 2005 at 20:45

spectral wrote:

Trouserpress wrote:

Pigs are very intelligent.

...they quite willing trample their offspring to death!

Maybe they can sense which ones will be the next hitler-pigs and thus get all that mess out of the way before it begins.

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Posted: August 05 2005 at 23:43

A cow. whats the use of a cow. It can't carry anything or do anything excep provide us with good food even though it can be bad for us it still tastes good.

sorry if anyones affended I just wanted to prove my point. look at it. thats all it ever does

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Posted: August 06 2005 at 09:46

All we have are broad and mostly unfounded theories...I like the 'learning to cook meat gave us more time to develop other skills' one the best; it sounds the most reasonable- and ironically, it's also the least dependant on any biological imperative.

Anyone who claims that meat-eating animals are always smarter, however, had better do some more zoology reading (for one thing, many 'experts' raise serious questions about whether predators or prey have more sophisticated and complicated responses)...and also account for the fact that meat consumption, red meat especially, has clearly and consistently decreased as mankind progressed.

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Posted: August 06 2005 at 10:53

Elephant.

cobb wrote:

Take our nearest living cousins on the evolution tree, chimpanzees and gorillas, both basically herbivores, they have been around as long as our species. Get the picture. They are probably more intelligent than the carnivores mentioned above (except maybe dolphins and orcas, but that's another problem - no apendages - no , not the ones that you are thinking of, the ones used for manipulation), but they remain essentially unchanged. It was the combination of eating meat and learning to cook it, that fueled our own evolution.

Agriculture and horticulture were also also important factors that fueled our evolution...

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Posted: August 06 2005 at 13:57

Trouserpress wrote:

spectral wrote:

Trouserpress wrote:

Pigs are very intelligent.

...they quite willing trample their offspring to death!

I'm sure most parents empathise...

not really.

Edited by spectral

"...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine."

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Posted: August 06 2005 at 19:05

I've been vegetarian my whole life, because my parents were.

My grandmother discovered that she could swap meat coupons for higher value vegetable coupons during the Second World War, because more people wanted meat coupons.

She couldn't think of a good reason to go back to eating meat after the war, so she didn't.

My aunty married the guy who designed the vegetarian 'V' logo... wonder how much time it took him to think that one up...

I don't eat meat because that's what I'm used to - but I wear leather shoes because they're better than synthetic ones.

And I couldn't give a monkey's about other people's diets, so have never lectured anyone (about the values of vegetarianism, at least ).

I'm the perfect weight for my height and really lazy about working out. But that's a vegetarian diet for you.