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micky
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Posted: December 22 2015 at 17:11 | ||
you operate on a higher plain of existence than me darling.. me knuckedragger.. you educated... I had no idea I was taking us into the land of mistranslations.. perhaps not as fun and interesting as the almighty cucumber but hey.. the key to thread derailment is to go with the flow and let it go where it wants to go.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 23 2015 at 01:01 | ||
As a fact, Peter Gabriel is also in the hall for his solo work. Iván
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Prog Sothoth
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Posted: December 23 2015 at 08:18 | ||
I love this part. Seriously, since their boundaries of what defines rock & roll have been stretched beyond meaning anyways, they should just do away with the "25 year eligibility" rule and induct Adele and Taylor Swift next year. They can sell the dinner seats for a small fortune and still fill the hall, accusations of gender bias will be muted, and more tween-types will drag their parents to the RRHoF to see all those wonderful dresses worn by their idols on display. Plus it will piss off Kanye West...always a good thing. Like, who really even cares anymore?
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micky
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Posted: December 23 2015 at 15:53 | ||
which would make excluding him from the group's induction, as he left before Genesis became known, would very tricky as opposed to leaving off the Joe-6 Packs of the musical world that played with other groups and weren't associated with the classic lineups that offered up the work that served as the basis for their induction. |
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lazland
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Posted: December 23 2015 at 16:03 | ||
Genesis were touring the States regularly when Gabriel was with them. They played the whole of the Lamb, famously, in the US before barely anyone had heard the thing. In our homeland, they were, after Selling England, rising to the top tier of live bands. The issue the rest of them had with him when he left was that they were on the verge of becoming massive. As it happens, they managed that perfectly well without him, ironically |
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micky
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Posted: December 23 2015 at 16:06 | ||
oh that they did for sure man! Afterall they did have their best albums in front of them which surely helped pave the way to superstardom!
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dr wu23
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Posted: December 23 2015 at 16:07 | ||
And it would have been interesting to see what direction they went in over the next few albums if Gabriel had stayed around ....would they have remained prog or gone more pop over time as they did with Collins?
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lazland
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Posted: December 23 2015 at 16:45 | ||
Let's think. Gabriel non commercial hit singles.... Solsbury Hill DIY Games Without Frontiers No Self Control Shock The Monkey Sledgehammer Steam Digging In The Dirt Kiss That Frog Pure prog, man |
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 23 2015 at 22:05 | ||
I don't really know much Gabriel solo, but I would think your post is sarcastic. I think Genesis would have gone commercial anyway, because Gabriel went commercial, Genesis by themselves went commercial too, and The Lamb already had hints of the band being commercial, since it favor the shorter song format over the extended instrumental passages from their previous albums. Having this in mind, and since for me The Lamb was rather a disapointment because of this very reasons, and given that what little I have heard from Gabriel solo hasn't impressed me at all, I might be controversial and say that I actually doubt I would have liked the 80's Genesis better if Gabriel had stayed than what they actually did. In the end, songs like Mama, Home by the Sea, Land of Confusion, and some others are really great for me, and like them sung by Collins, and I wouldn't have liked the existance or end result of such songs compromised. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 25 2015 at 19:55 | ||
I don't really know much Gabriel solo, but I would think your post is sarcastic. I think Genesis would have gone commercial anyway, because Gabriel went commercial, Genesis by themselves went commercial too, and The Lamb already had hints of the band being commercial, since it favor the shorter song format over the extended instrumental passages from their previous albums. Having this in mind, and since for me The Lamb was rather a disapointment because of this very reasons, and given that what little I have heard from Gabriel solo hasn't impressed me at all, I might be controversial and say that I actually doubt I would have liked the 80's Genesis better if Gabriel had stayed than what they actually did. In the end, songs like Mama, Home by the Sea, Land of Confusion, and some others are really great for me, and like them sung by Collins, and I wouldn't have liked the existance or end result of such songs compromised.[/QUOTE] Short format doesn't mean less Prog. Gabriel Genesis wasn't famous for epics as other bands, as a fact they only made one epic in all their career. The Lamb more than a collection of songs ius a whole story consisting in several parts, no short tracks, The Lamb must be understood as a whole. Whoever tells me this is not Prog at it's best, must be deaf |
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 25 2015 at 21:49 | ||
Exactly, length's got nothing to do with it. Knots is more progressive than Scheherazade. And Lamb is one of the most proggy albums of Genesis and filled to the brim with my favourite Genesis tracks, esp Lamia.
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 25 2015 at 22:56 | ||
Short format doesn't mean less Prog. Gabriel Genesis wasn't famous for epics as other bands, as a fact they only made one epic in all their career. The Lamb more than a collection of songs ius a whole story consisting in several parts, no short tracks, The Lamb must be understood as a whole. Whoever tells me this is not Prog at it's best, must be deaf No, length of a song doesn't really make it any more prog or good by itself. But often enough, the longer songs (over 7 min, I guess) end up being the ones I love the most, and it isn't that disregard the shorter songs just because of their length, I do give them all their fair chance (just as there are some times I do feel some songs would do good to be shorter, Transatlantic has some songs that could be trimmed by even 10 min, and be better for it, and still be considered epics). However, from Genesis my very favourite songs are "Musical Box", "Supper's Ready", "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight", and "Cinema Show", I could add "The Knife", "One for the Vine", and some of the 80's output ("Mama", "Home by the Sea", "Land of Confusion")... and "In the Cage", from The Lamb... which happens to be one of the longer songs... still, there are many of the shorter ones that I do like (I actually mentioned two from the 80's), but I don't feel they achieve the same greatness. And The Lamb just isn't as satisfying for me, not only because of it's shorter songs, but there's something that just doesn't click with me (same happens for me with Pink Floyd and "The Wall"). |
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Rockin rob
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Posted: January 29 2016 at 16:56 | ||
Maybe they have guy,s like Herb Tarlik from WKRP in Cincinnati help count the votes at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland!
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 29 2016 at 17:01 | ||
Herb Tarlik was a lovely man.
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