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Points: 6253 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 04:42
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

If I have correctly understood, the problem is technical. M@x has decided to obscure the potentially offensive images (the whole catalog of Acid Mothers Temple let's say) only because it mey cause the google search engine to filter off the site when one searches from Google.



Let's search the web for Roxy Music's images and see whether the original picture comes out from the search or not and in which order.  Maybe M@x is just too cautious


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If you search on google images yes you will find all the images, this seems not to be the problem tho' google is trying to filter sites that they sponsor, yes it's unfair especially to PA while allowing individuals posting whatever they like
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Points: 6253 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 04:54
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

If I have correctly understood, the problem is technical. M@x has decided to obscure the potentially offensive images (the whole catalog of Acid Mothers Temple let's say) only because it mey cause the google search engine to filter off the site when one searches from Google.



Let's search the web for Roxy Music's images and see whether the original picture comes out from the search or not and in which order.  Maybe M@x is just too cautious


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If you search on google images yes you will find all the images, this seems not to be the problem tho' google is trying to filter sites that they sponsor, yes it's unfair especially to PA while allowing individuals posting whatever they like


P.S. P.A. is not the only site effected by this. Others too, I know this. Google have become very conservative it seems, although only to their sponsored sites. It is a bad marketing strategy for them in my point view me but unless we have better sponsors for PA we have no choice but to conform to this idiocracy
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 05:22
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

If I have correctly understood, the problem is technical. M@x has decided to obscure the potentially offensive images (the whole catalog of Acid Mothers Temple let's say) only because it mey cause the google search engine to filter off the site when one searches from Google.

Let's search the web for Roxy Music's images and see whether the original picture comes out from the search or not and in which order.  Maybe M@x is just too cautious
No, it is nothing to do with Google Searches.

Google puts advertisements on the PA and gives us money for that. This service is called Google AdSense and is nothing to do with Google searches.

If they think our site has adult content that may corrupt little kiddies or prissy bible-reading spinsters then they will withdraw this service and the PA does not get paid any money. What we do not know is what makes an image (or block of text) suggestive in the eyes of Google AdSense. 

Roxy Music's Country Life may be too suggestive, it may not - WE DON'T KNOW until Google say "Uh-Oh, that one's a bit naughty, nudge-nudge, wink-wink" and then remove all their advertisements from our site. Then we have no money.


This money pays for the running of the site. It pays for the monthly broadband connection, it pays for the huge bandwidth that this site requires, it pays for the SQL database and the Servers it runs on. This monthly bill is not small and the advert revenue (despite what many people may guess) is not huge but without the adverts we do not have a site.

So yes, Max is being cautious, he needs to be.
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Points: 14256 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 07:01
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Is the blurred phallic image on Brain Salad Surgery sufficiently blurred or does it need to be blurred further?... and for that matter, Love Beach probably should be blacked out. LOL

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for that matter bang goes half of Rush's album artwork as its all bottoms... Shocked
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Just in case nobody's mentioned it before, if you search on Roxy Music from the PA home page, you get the non-censored version of the Country Life cover (albeit very small) on the results page.
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Points: 14256 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 07:25
Yeah the Roxy Music cover is so rude I mean look at it!
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Points: 20545 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 10:48
So then other sites that do not use Google Ad Sense will not have censored images..?
 
 
Just did an Amazon music link to Roxy Music ,and Country Life is not censored on their images page.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

So then other sites that do not use Google Ad Sense will not have censored images..?
 
 
Just did an Amazon music link to Roxy Music ,and Country Life is not censored on their images page.
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Right, as said before, Amazon does not use Google Adsense.

It's a condition of Google providing ads and thus a revenue stream.  If you can pay all the bills some other way, you can have all the uncensored album covers you want.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 11:26
Why is this so difficult? Confused
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 11:32
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Why is this so difficult? Confused

Not sure.  Confused
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 11:33
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Just in case nobody's mentioned it before, if you search on Roxy Music from the PA home page, you get the non-censored version of the Country Life cover (albeit very small) on the results page.
I know I am going to regret posting this because it will only confuse things even more...


The search on the PA Home page is powered by Google - it is the same search you get if you go to www.google.com and type:

site:www.progarchives.com country life

into Google's search box, and it gives you exactly the same results.

Now, Google searches are not done on our live website, they are done on cached pages stored on the Google server, so they are searching older versions of the pages, made before Max blurred the images, which is why they show uncensored versions of those album.

Google Search and Google AdSense are not the same.
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Points: 6673 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 11:36
Its difficult dean because as you so tautly put it "No one knows what is and what isn't appropriate" until its too late and you have been dropped! That is the uttermost stupidity = not knowing and thus being open to incredible retribution.

BTW, that is the definition of absolute power! SickHead on wall
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Points: 6673 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 11:40
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Just in case nobody's mentioned it before, if you search on Roxy Music from the PA home page, you get the non-censored version of the Country Life cover (albeit very small) on the results page.
I know I am going to regret posting this because it will only confuse things even more...


The search on the PA Home page is powered by Google - it is the same search you get if you go to www.google.com and type:

site:www.progarchives.com country life

into Google's search box, and it gives you exactly the same results.

Now, Google searches are not done on our live website, they are done on cached pages stored on the Google server, so they are searching older versions of the pages, made before Max blurred the images, which is why they show uncensored versions of those album.

Google Search and Google AdSense are not the same.


Which only worsens the situation! Like most dictatorships , their systems of control are illogical and often run contrary. Presumably, to become opaque (nacht und nebel) and unclear  . Which is why one lasted 12 years instead of a 1000! 
I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 11:54
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Just in case nobody's mentioned it before, if you search on Roxy Music from the PA home page, you get the non-censored version of the Country Life cover (albeit very small) on the results page.
I know I am going to regret posting this because it will only confuse things even more...


The search on the PA Home page is powered by Google - it is the same search you get if you go to www.google.com and type:

site:www.progarchives.com country life

into Google's search box, and it gives you exactly the same results.

Now, Google searches are not done on our live website, they are done on cached pages stored on the Google server, so they are searching older versions of the pages, made before Max blurred the images, which is why they show uncensored versions of those album.

Google Search and Google AdSense are not the same.


Which only worsens the situation! Like most dictatorships , their systems of control are illogical and often run contrary. Presumably, to become opaque (nacht und nebel) and unclear  . Which is why one lasted 12 years instead of a 1000! 

It isn't illogical atr all. Google search engine searches and presents  the results. It wants to be the best so they aren't censored. They couldn't censor images anyway but if yopu want to you can change your google settings.
Adsense is a revenue system  and google does not want to place ads next to what they consider pornographuic images.

And google isn't  a dictatorship.


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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 11:57
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

If there's one that should had been censores is the awfgul Virgin Killer by Scorpions

For God's sake, the kid had 10 years when photographed

That's child pornography IMHO

Iván

Out of sheer curiosity, I just went on Google search to remind myself of this album cover. It did, of course, come up in all its "glorious" detail.

So, to Ivan's opinion (which he makes well and is perfectly entitled to).  Is this child pornography? IMO no. It is certainly tasteless, and probably designed to be provocative deliberately.

Would I ban it, though? No. Once you start down that road, it is the road to total state or corporate censorship, I.e. The road to ruin. Led Zep's Houses Of The Holy, anyone?

Laz, there's a great difference between this cover and for example Houses of the Holy or Yesterdays this two are art.

This photo with the title virgin killer and a nude 10 years girl is child pornography of the lñevel 6 in the COPINE scale

6Explicit Erotic PosingPictures emphasizing genital areas, where the child is either naked, partially clothed or fully clothed.

Don't tell me it's not obvious



I will tell you it is not obvious, because it is not.

Before I expand on this, let me make my view very clear. I do not like this cover. I find it childish and offensive. I find it the work of a group, or management of a group, that deliberately set out to be provocative. As with all such acts, it turned out to be merely stupid and ridiculous. In that sense, you are very right when you say that it cannot be compared with Led Zep or Yesterday's - no argument from me there.

However, it is not child pornography as I understand that term, I.e. The manipulation and sexualisation of children For adult's sexual pleasure and tittilation. It was not that. It was merely an album cover designed to provoke. There is a difference, and, in that context, I would refer you to every victim of the evils of child pornography. Provocation and the deliberate manipulation of children for sexual gratification are two very different acts and actions. This album cover is provocation, not manipulation.

I agree with you Steve. The automatic assumption that a naked child is child porn bizarre. The law is an ass.
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Points: 6673 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 12:02
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Just in case nobody's mentioned it before, if you search on Roxy Music from the PA home page, you get the non-censored version of the Country Life cover (albeit very small) on the results page.
I know I am going to regret posting this because it will only confuse things even more...


The search on the PA Home page is powered by Google - it is the same search you get if you go to www.google.com and type:

site:www.progarchives.com country life

into Google's search box, and it gives you exactly the same results.

Now, Google searches are not done on our live website, they are done on cached pages stored on the Google server, so they are searching older versions of the pages, made before Max blurred the images, which is why they show uncensored versions of those album.

Google Search and Google AdSense are not the same.


Which only worsens the situation! Like most dictatorships , their systems of control are illogical and often run contrary. Presumably, to become opaque (nacht und nebel) and unclear  . Which is why one lasted 12 years instead of a 1000! 

It isn't illogical atr all. Google search engine searches and presents  the results. It wants to be the best so they aren't censored. They couldn't censor images anyway but if yopu want to you can change your google settings.
Adsense is a revenue system  and google does not want to place ads next to what they consider pornographuic images.

And google isn't  a dictatorship.

Certainly acts like one especially when it was stated earlier that M@X has no OTHER choice than Adsense. 
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 12:04
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Just in case nobody's mentioned it before, if you search on Roxy Music from the PA home page, you get the non-censored version of the Country Life cover (albeit very small) on the results page.
I know I am going to regret posting this because it will only confuse things even more...


The search on the PA Home page is powered by Google - it is the same search you get if you go to www.google.com and type:

site:www.progarchives.com country life

into Google's search box, and it gives you exactly the same results.

Now, Google searches are not done on our live website, they are done on cached pages stored on the Google server, so they are searching older versions of the pages, made before Max blurred the images, which is why they show uncensored versions of those album.

Google Search and Google AdSense are not the same.


Which only worsens the situation! Like most dictatorships , their systems of control are illogical and often run contrary. Presumably, to become opaque (nacht und nebel) and unclear  . Which is why one lasted 12 years instead of a 1000! 

It isn't illogical atr all. Google search engine searches and presents  the results. It wants to be the best so they aren't censored. They couldn't censor images anyway but if yopu want to you can change your google settings.
Adsense is a revenue system  and google does not want to place ads next to what they consider pornographuic images.

And google isn't  a dictatorship.

Certainly acts like one especially when it was stated earlier that M@X has no OTHER choice than Adsense. 

We'll have to disagree
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Points: 6673 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2013 at 12:08
Good thing that is permitted !^^^^
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

If I have correctly understood, the problem is technical. M@x has decided to obscure the potentially offensive images (the whole catalog of Acid Mothers Temple let's say) only because it mey cause the google search engine to filter off the site when one searches from Google.

Let's search the web for Roxy Music's images and see whether the original picture comes out from the search or not and in which order.  Maybe M@x is just too cautious
No, it is nothing to do with Google Searches.

Google puts advertisements on the PA and gives us money for that. This service is called Google AdSense and is nothing to do with Google searches.

If they think our site has adult content that may corrupt little kiddies or prissy bible-reading spinsters then they will withdraw this service and the PA does not get paid any money. What we do not know is what makes an image (or block of text) suggestive in the eyes of Google AdSense. 

Roxy Music's Country Life may be too suggestive, it may not - WE DON'T KNOW until Google say "Uh-Oh, that one's a bit naughty, nudge-nudge, wink-wink" and then remove all their advertisements from our site. Then we have no money.


This money pays for the running of the site. It pays for the monthly broadband connection, it pays for the huge bandwidth that this site requires, it pays for the SQL database and the Servers it runs on. This monthly bill is not small and the advert revenue (despite what many people may guess) is not huge but without the adverts we do not have a site.

So yes, Max is being cautious, he needs to be.



According to the above comments , which are dead-on correct BTW, Google Adsense is dictatorial in the finest sense.....It creates unneeded grey zones that are undefinable which provokes one to being cautious (which is beyond legal) as it implies a sense of fear. There is no other supplier of service with the resources owned by Google. Kind of my way or no way, no? 
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How about pay-per-rate ... 100 instant raings for $1 ...
 
Or moolah-to-manipulate ... multiple accounts @ $10 each ...
 
What about rent-a-reviewer ... $100 gets you an official Prog Reviewer to ghost-write reviews for ten albums of your choice ...
 
Or payola-pro[g]motion ... $1000 gets you ten different 5-star reviews of an album of your choice posted from ten different ghost-accounts...
 
Or hyper-hype-hike ... $1500 adds 0.1 to your albums QWR rating, no questions asked...
 
Or our sleaze-special-auction ... ($5000 minimum bid) bid against other bands to get your album to #1 in the Top Album of 2013 chart...
 
 
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