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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2018 at 11:37
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

2.  Tell me specific planks of the 2018 Democrat Platform?  
3.  How can you support a Political Party if you don't know what their platform is?

Neither party has a platform for the 2018 mid-terms. Both websites still have their 2016 platforms. You can read them here:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2018 at 11:44

^ "Same as it ever was." "Same as it ever was." "Same as it ever was."

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2018 at 12:28
   "In my opinion, the opposite of a Nationalist Platform is a Globalist Platform."

..and the opposite of thinking you have only two choices would be called intelligent creativity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2018 at 13:53
So, pipe bombs for the enemy of the people. Whoever would have thunk it!

Still waiting for a message from the sh*t stirrer in chief.

I wonder how long it's going to be before the Republicans are going to accuse the Democrats of being at the bottom of this just to gather sympathy votes.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2018 at 21:28

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

 SteveG said, "Yes. The Democratic stance is simple. It is the opposite of a nationalist."

Great, got an answer.   Before I address SteveG's answer, I would like to know...

1. Does Everybody agree with SteveG?    If you agree then say so. If you disagree then say so , and tell us and offer an alternative answer. Or just say you don't know but it's not the opposite of Nationalism.

2. If SteveG 'summation of the Democrat Platform receives a chorus of crickets, I will assume that SteveG's answer is not the commonly held belief of PA members on this thread... of "What is the Democrat Platform?"
Thus my question remains null, and nobody can tell me what is the democratic platform.

3.   If SteveG's summation of the Democrat Platform is correct....And If you are an American, do you support a Globalist Platform for America?    In my opinion, the opposite of a Nationalist Platform is a Globalist Platform.    If Globalism is not the opposite of Nationalism, then what is? Show me my error. I will adapt to facts.

Please empathize and understand my conundrum good members of PA. All I hear is... What the Democrats dislike. I want to know what Democrats want! What is the Democrat solution?
In other words...Let's pretend it's a fact that Trump is Evil, Hitler, and Orange Man Bad.

What solutions do the democrats propose to make America better for its citizens?   Or if American citizens don't matter to democrats... What solutions do the democrats propose to counteract Nationalism?
Please be sorta specific.


Actually, I don't agree with Steve G. However, know that, as you rail against the far left and advocate a return to the center, Globalism is the center. The left is actually highly skeptical and critical of global agreements. It is a frequent annoyance to me when advocates of a 'return the center' can't accurately and without contradiction figure out what the center is. We have never had a left leaning government in the White House, so I view your return to the center comments as just nonsense.

Secondly, your comments on platform are nonsensical. Platforms are products that parties create during Presidential elections as negotiated with the upper hand by whoever wins the nomination. Prior to that platforms are merely the stuff of think tanks or hopeful candidates. They do not occur in off year elections quite simply because the Presidency is not in play.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2018 at 21:57
I did have to admit I laughed out loud about the latest Trumpism with health care and preexisting conditions...  made a lot of Republicans who voted to remove protections for those with preexisting conditions very uncomfortable.. as in why the f**k did you go THERE.. knowing we supported you and your petty attempt to take away health care just because your hated predessor had it as a signature achievement..

and all just under two weeks to the election.  Bad f**king timing...

Trump voter and the ...  ignorant, stupid, or simply nonsensical might tear at Trump's red meat.. and blame Democrats for teh mess with healthcare....but most rational and half thinking voters know just who has tried to fix the healthcare problem and who is completely tone deaf on the issue and has no idea or plan to address a very serious issue we have a nation and society.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2018 at 01:57
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:


Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

 SteveG said, "Yes. The Democratic stance is simple. It is the opposite of a nationalist."

Great, got an answer.   Before I address SteveG's answer, I would like to know...

1. Does Everybody agree with SteveG?    If you agree then say so. If you disagree then say so , and tell us and offer an alternative answer. Or just say you don't know but it's not the opposite of Nationalism.

2. If SteveG 'summation of the Democrat Platform receives a chorus of crickets, I will assume that SteveG's answer is not the commonly held belief of PA members on this thread... of "What is the Democrat Platform?"
Thus my question remains null, and nobody can tell me what is the democratic platform.

3.   If SteveG's summation of the Democrat Platform is correct....And If you are an American, do you support a Globalist Platform for America?    In my opinion, the opposite of a Nationalist Platform is a Globalist Platform.    If Globalism is not the opposite of Nationalism, then what is? Show me my error. I will adapt to facts.

Please empathize and understand my conundrum good members of PA. All I hear is... What the Democrats dislike. I want to know what Democrats want! What is the Democrat solution?
In other words...Let's pretend it's a fact that Trump is Evil, Hitler, and Orange Man Bad.

What solutions do the democrats propose to make America better for its citizens?   Or if American citizens don't matter to democrats... What solutions do the democrats propose to counteract Nationalism?
Please be sorta specific.


Actually, I don't agree with Steve G. However, know that, as you rail against the far left and advocate a return to the center, Globalism is the center. The left is actually highly skeptical and critical of global agreements. It is a frequent annoyance to me when advocates of a 'return the center' can't accurately and without contradiction figure out what the center is. We have never had a left leaning government in the White House, so I view your return to the center comments as just nonsense.

Secondly, your comments on platform are nonsensical. Platforms are products that parties create during Presidential elections as negotiated with the upper hand by whoever wins the nomination. Prior to that platforms are merely the stuff of think tanks or hopeful candidates. They do not occur in off year elections quite simply because the Presidency is not in play.



Yeah, economically her views seem closer to Sanders/Corbyn which is definitely not center.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2018 at 03:57
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:


Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

 SteveG said, "Yes. The Democratic stance is simple. It is the opposite of a nationalist."

Great, got an answer.   Before I address SteveG's answer, I would like to know...

1. Does Everybody agree with SteveG?    If you agree then say so. If you disagree then say so , and tell us and offer an alternative answer. Or just say you don't know but it's not the opposite of Nationalism.

2. If SteveG 'summation of the Democrat Platform receives a chorus of crickets, I will assume that SteveG's answer is not the commonly held belief of PA members on this thread... of "What is the Democrat Platform?"
Thus my question remains null, and nobody can tell me what is the democratic platform.

3.   If SteveG's summation of the Democrat Platform is correct....And If you are an American, do you support a Globalist Platform for America?    In my opinion, the opposite of a Nationalist Platform is a Globalist Platform.    If Globalism is not the opposite of Nationalism, then what is? Show me my error. I will adapt to facts.

Please empathize and understand my conundrum good members of PA. All I hear is... What the Democrats dislike. I want to know what Democrats want! What is the Democrat solution?
In other words...Let's pretend it's a fact that Trump is Evil, Hitler, and Orange Man Bad.

What solutions do the democrats propose to make America better for its citizens?   Or if American citizens don't matter to democrats... What solutions do the democrats propose to counteract Nationalism?
Please be sorta specific.


Actually, I don't agree with Steve G. However, know that, as you rail against the far left and advocate a return to the center, Globalism is the center. The left is actually highly skeptical and critical of global agreements. It is a frequent annoyance to me when advocates of a 'return the center' can't accurately and without contradiction figure out what the center is. We have never had a left leaning government in the White House, so I view your return to the center comments as just nonsense.
My response to ompha was a reverse dog whistle of Trump's latest insanity of saying that he is a nationalist. This went over many heads but in the quickly changing world of Trump that can't be helped, I suppose. I don't believe that ompha doesn't know key Democratic positions (which is what she was referring to when she states "platform" as many people mistakenly do even in mid terms) such as their long term stances on pro choice, continuing Obama care and DACA, raising the taxes on businesses to pre Trump margins, etc., etc., so hence my responses to her or lack there of. Why someone would want to engage in political discussions and subsequent arguments without knowing a preponderance of the facts on the two parties in question is quite beyond me, but there it is.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2018 at 04:05
Back to Trump World:
 
I think that it's sickening that POTUS is blaming the "fake news" media for all of yesterday's bombing attempts. Is there no level so low that the Donald won't sink to? I think not and I will celebrate for years when he's finally out of office.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2018 at 04:30
Her weird mix of nationalism and socialism is nothing new, it was popular in certain parts of Europe in the early 40s.

"When asked whether he supported the "bourgeois right-wing", Hitler claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class and he indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps" by stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism"."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2018 at 04:35
Which is why I was surprised that her ears didn't perk up when I mentioned nationalism! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2018 at 08:38
Supposedly, this is the 2018 Midterm Democrat Platform. 

  https://www.vox.com/2018/5/21/17376128/democrats-better-deal-democracy-midterm-2018 

1) Democrats are focusing on voting rights. In light of the outcome of 2016 election and subsequent investigations into voting integrity around possible Russian interference, Democrats are zeroing in on voters and increased mistrust of the election system. Their platform ranges from access to polling places and gerrymandering to concerns about hacking on Election Day. They’re pushing to bolster the Election Assistance Commission’s resources and implement automatic voter registration and gerrymandering reform. House Democrats will propose mandating independent commissions across the country to ensure district lines are not partisan.

“We make voting in this country more complicated than it needs to be,” Rep. John Sarbanes (D-MD), the chair of the Democracy Reform Task Force, which led the effort to write this agenda, told me.

2) They’re highlighting corruption and ethics violations in the Trump administration. 

To counter it, Democrats plan to hit the campaign trail with policy proposals aimed at tightening lobbying rules.

Among these proposals would be legally requiring presidential candidates to disclose their tax returns. That’s a direct reaction to Trump, who has yet to release his financial records, bucking decades of political precedent and breaking his own promises of transparency.

Sarbanes also cited a proposal that would tighten lobbying rules and institute statutes against former lobbyists becoming Cabinet officials in agencies that have purview over industries that previously employed them.

3) Democrats take a swing at campaign finance reform. This third pillar focuses on transparency in campaign donors. Sarbanes also cited a proposal that would create a 6-1 small-donor match program — a federal public financing system aimed at bolstering donations under $175.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2018 at 10:20
^ Well, I don't see the word platform mentioned anywhere in the text but you now are better informed then you were 24 hours ago. These are some of the issues and policy proposals that the Democrats will focus on for 2018 but there are many more.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2018 at 11:50
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Her weird mix of nationalism and socialism is nothing new, it was popular in certain parts of Europe in the early 40s.

"When asked whether he supported the "bourgeois right-wing", Hitler claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class and he indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps" by stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism"."
 

So Easy Money,  you're conflating me with Fascism?  If so, that's a huge leap.   

Easy Money, if you can fathom my past posts then you must surmise: 
 
1. I'm against Totalitarianism  on the Right, Left, and Center.  I hate authoritative governments.  From Stalin to Hitler and any dictator.  Deep down I'm a libertarian.  I already explained why libertarianism can't work in conjunction with selfish human behavior. 

2. I'm not for socialism.   Yet I am practical and the world doesn't care if I'm against socialism.  I despise socialism.  Although, considering probabilities and reality, I can't imagine a world where there is no socialism.   Therefore if limited socialism can't be avoided, I wish for a type where the individual has more control over the way their tax money is spent.   Which is why I like Sweden's voucher system.  At least the parents can choose the school they send their children to.  When schools compete against other schools, the education system improves as the schools compete against each other for students and voucher money. The end result.  Higher teacher pay and highly educated students.   And that's a good thing.   

My hatred for totalitarianism and dislike for socialism totally disqualifies me as a fascist.  In addition to my spotless police record coupled with the fact I've never committed assault, fraud, or even bounced a check.  I choose nursing the elderly because I have the ability to make them comfortable, listen to their stories, wash them, bring them food and do what I can to help them smile in the most difficult period of their lives.     

So Easy Money... Do you conflate everyone you disagree with to Hitler's Nazi Fascist regime?  Is that's your only argument?  Rebranding me as a evil Nazi? Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2018 at 12:32
^ I have no idea what you are, and I'm not really interested either.
You do like to quote from folks who lean in that direction, such as you're "Styxx" character from a few pages back, ... and no, I don't call everyone I disagree with a nazi, for instance I have never called my Jewish wife a nazi, no matter how much we disagree.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2018 at 18:12
A white loon from Pittsburgh with a pronounced hatred of Jews he has posted on various internet sites, stated "There is no #MAGA as long as there is a kike infestation," walked into a synagogue and opened fire, killing at least 11 worshipers today. 

A steroid-addled pro-Trump zealot mailed 14 pipe bombs to various politicians and celebrities. 

A white supremacist in Kentucky walked into a Kroger and gunned down two African-Americans after he unsuccessfully tried to enter an African-American Baptist church. He told a bystander who confronted him, "Whites don't kill whites." 

A white supremacist leader of a violent neo-Nazi group and three of his henchmen were arrested by the FBI in California for assault and inciting riot. 

White supremacists were "directly responsible" for 18 out of 34 U.S. extremist-related deaths in 2017, the Anti-Defamation League said. Islamic extremists, by comparison, were only responsible for nine deaths in America. 

There is one person in the United States responsible for this. One person who continues to promote violence and divisiveness and unmitigated hatred of the "other". One person who invites violence against mainstream media for reporting facts and not half-baked conspiracy theories concocted by the tinfoil hat alt-right media. One person who condoned tiki-torch wielding Klansmen and Brownshirts in Charlottesville, referring to them as "fine people", even after a neo-Nazi drove a car into a crowd. 

His name is Donald Trump. He is currently President of the United States. He must go.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2018 at 18:46
I am not certain what is meant when someone says he is against socialism. Does he mean he is against the idea of socialism? Or does he mean he is against how this idea was enacted, for example in the GDR? Is he actually aware that socialism is multi-faceted and there is no single definition that encapsulates all of these facets? Is he aware that early Christian communities were very socialist in nature?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2018 at 01:44
I think it just means that he doesn't want to pay for the poor.


@DarkElf: it's amazing how Trump is able to make people come out of their shell.


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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

A white loon from Pittsburgh with a pronounced hatred of Jews he has posted on various internet sites, stated "There is no #MAGA as long as there is a kike infestation," walked into a synagogue and opened fire, killing at least 11 worshipers today. 

A steroid-addled pro-Trump zealot mailed 14 pipe bombs to various politicians and celebrities. 

A white supremacist in Kentucky walked into a Kroger and gunned down two African-Americans after he unsuccessfully tried to enter an African-American Baptist church. He told a bystander who confronted him, "Whites don't kill whites." 

A white supremacist leader of a violent neo-Nazi group and three of his henchmen were arrested by the FBI in California for assault and inciting riot. 

White supremacists were "directly responsible" for 18 out of 34 U.S. extremist-related deaths in 2017, the Anti-Defamation League said. Islamic extremists, by comparison, were only responsible for nine deaths in America. 

There is one person in the United States responsible for this. One person who continues to promote violence and divisiveness and unmitigated hatred of the "other". One person who invites violence against mainstream media for reporting facts and not half-baked conspiracy theories concocted by the tinfoil hat alt-right media. One person who condoned tiki-torch wielding Klansmen and Brownshirts in Charlottesville, referring to them as "fine people", even after a neo-Nazi drove a car into a crowd. 

His name is Donald Trump. He is currently President of the United States. He must go.

yes he must.. but what would remain is the real problem we have. All the millions of Trump-like people and those who don't take the responsibility of voting serously enough to have voted for someone like that .. knowing all that... well before they cast their votes.

You know...  that all is bad enough.. but this might have been the final straw with Trump.  I was reading the highlights of the game last night and what do I see in teh middle of the story.. yep... him.   Two more years man.. two more years...


The circumstance even prompted a tweet from President Donald Trump.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2018 at 04:23
A sickening week in the US for sure with even more divisiveness being ramped up on both sides. CNN holds that Trump is responsible for all the ills with his non stop rhetoric while Fox News does all it can to hold him blameless and claim a Democrat double standard. If one switches back and forth between this non stop 24/7 debate it is quite comical and looks like a spoof one would find on an episode of South Park. That's how surreal and unreal this all has become in the modern era of Trump.

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