Many thanks guys :) Ive posted some suggestions / edits in the

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cleared unanimously by the Neo team, addition coming within the next days.

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one yes vote for inclusion in Neo and two members left for voting, just a little patience needed... Wink

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And now removed from the Heavy Prog chart, so the initial evaluation will be caried out for inclusion in Neo Prog.

I agree with the "Neo" category Tuscon. I also covered some of your points in the post above. The brief name change to Xitizen Xain was only used on the album cover and website at the record company's command. It would have complicated things otherwise I guess. Thanks for your advice.

(if you do get around to buying the album please buy from our website, it's always better for us :) Digital version is available there also)

Of course it belongs in the same category as Citizen Cain, however the category for Citizen Cain is wrong IMO, it should be Neo-prog and not symphonic progressive (of course Neo prog basicaly equals symph, just different). Anyway I'm curious as to how it gets added.

For CreepyJohn it's a natural pogression of Citizen Cain, and I guess the fans will follow suit, and even the non-fan enthousiasts and occasional listeners will consider it a natural evolution proces for the band, howevere the name is different being C-Cain's Stewart Bell, which implies a solo effort from one of it's member's.

I would add it thusly: Add it as a 'new' band, (and place it under the same subgenre (I would put both in Neo-progressive as that's the most logical place for both, as that's what it is)) and add a paragraph to Citizen Cain, explaining that's how it currently proceeds, and add the obvious C-Cain origin as the first part of this album's band biography.

It could of course also be added as a C-Cain album, but I don't know if there are ownership issues regarding the name Citizen Cain, as Cyril was the founder of the band, soi that could be an issue preventing the album be released under that name. But that I do not know, and honestly it has a different Band name (woner how Xitizen Xain was dealt with, but I guess thát's up to artistic freedom of the band how to write it's own name/brand)

anyway, I'm curious and slightly excited about the album.

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i see, thanks Aapatsos. I'm not sure why this isn't just going under Citizen Cain. I (Stewart Bell) am the main composer in the band, Phil Allen reprises his usual role on guitar, (only Cyrus is missing) and this is the next step musically for C-Cain hence my choice of the name "Citizen Cain's Stewart Bell". Musically it's the same as C-Cain so should be the same category...?

hi guys, im a bit lost here, what are "HP charts" and "Neo too"?

LOL! And Neo too: http://progfreak.com/Stewart-Bell-160152.html?path=pa/recent. Looks like this is going to be a popular release!!

Thanks for sharing this Windhawk :)

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apps79 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 15 2007 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 1551	Topic: Stewart Bell (Citizen Cain) for somewhere? Posted: November 20 2014 at 12:22
	i made as many changes i could, thanks for notifying.
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CreepyJohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: September 13 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 54	Posted: November 20 2014 at 11:54
	Many thanks guys :) Ive posted some suggestions / edits in the ERRORS THREAD Report Errors and Omissions Here forum

apps79 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 15 2007 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 1551	Posted: November 18 2014 at 16:26
	Case closed... http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9104
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apps79 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 15 2007 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 1551	Posted: November 18 2014 at 14:24
	cleared unanimously by the Neo team, addition coming within the next days.
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apps79 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 15 2007 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 1551	Posted: November 17 2014 at 15:42
	make these 'yes' votes two, one more member from the team remaining to express his opinion.
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apps79 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 15 2007 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 1551	Posted: November 17 2014 at 11:52
	one yes vote for inclusion in Neo and two members left for voting, just a little patience needed...
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CreepyJohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: September 13 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 54	Posted: November 17 2014 at 10:40
	any news on this album getting included on here? It would be nice if people could rate and review it? Thanks, Stewart

yam yam Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 5823	Posted: November 12 2014 at 06:10
	And now removed from the Heavy Prog chart, so the initial evaluation will be caried out for inclusion in Neo Prog.

apps79 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 15 2007 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 1551	Posted: November 09 2014 at 13:14
	Even in the band's own site the album is refered as a solo project with no clear references of it being some sort of CC's continuation, at least at the moment, strong links with CC are not an adequate reason to add the album in CC's discography, separate entry should be the proper choice IMO, no matter the team which will accept the project.
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CreepyJohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: September 13 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 54	Posted: November 09 2014 at 12:14
	I agree with the "Neo" category Tuscon. I also covered some of your points in the post above. The brief name change to Xitizen Xain was only used on the album cover and website at the record company's command. It would have complicated things otherwise I guess. Thanks for your advice. (if you do get around to buying the album please buy from our website, it's always better for us :) Digital version is available there also)

CreepyJohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: September 13 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 54	Posted: November 09 2014 at 12:08
	thanks aapatsos, as long as there is a clear link from the main C-Cain page I guess it will do the trick. It just seems to me that to have spent all these years running C-Cain and building up an audience then to have to start from scratch on here would be a tad annoying. As said before the change of name is simply to inform people that it is C-Cain minus Cyrus. (incidentally he is calling his solo work something entirely different - Arculus)

tuxon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502	Posted: November 08 2014 at 18:12
	Of course it belongs in the same category as Citizen Cain, however the category for Citizen Cain is wrong IMO, it should be Neo-prog and not symphonic progressive (of course Neo prog basicaly equals symph, just different). Anyway I'm curious as to how it gets added. For CreepyJohn it's a natural pogression of Citizen Cain, and I guess the fans will follow suit, and even the non-fan enthousiasts and occasional listeners will consider it a natural evolution proces for the band, howevere the name is different being C-Cain's Stewart Bell, which implies a solo effort from one of it's member's. I would add it thusly: Add it as a 'new' band, (and place it under the same subgenre (I would put both in Neo-progressive as that's the most logical place for both, as that's what it is)) and add a paragraph to Citizen Cain, explaining that's how it currently proceeds, and add the obvious C-Cain origin as the first part of this album's band biography. It could of course also be added as a C-Cain album, but I don't know if there are ownership issues regarding the name Citizen Cain, as Cyril was the founder of the band, soi that could be an issue preventing the album be released under that name. But that I do not know, and honestly it has a different Band name (woner how Xitizen Xain was dealt with, but I guess thát's up to artistic freedom of the band how to write it's own name/brand) anyway, I'm curious and slightly excited about the album.
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aapatsos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 11 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 9226	Posted: November 08 2014 at 17:34
	Stewart, it is common practice to evaluate releases under a different name as separate "entities"/artists. My impression was that this is a solo album rather than a new CC album. (I think) this album has (slightly?) different musical direction than CC and therefore might be best to include it as such. However, if this is going to be a "permanent" shift for the band then please let me know and I will discuss with the team - and double-check site's rules. Thanos

CreepyJohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: September 13 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 54	Posted: November 08 2014 at 17:21
	i see, thanks Aapatsos. I'm not sure why this isn't just going under Citizen Cain. I (Stewart Bell) am the main composer in the band, Phil Allen reprises his usual role on guitar, (only Cyrus is missing) and this is the next step musically for C-Cain hence my choice of the name "Citizen Cain's Stewart Bell". Musically it's the same as C-Cain so should be the same category...?

aapatsos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 11 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 9226	Posted: November 08 2014 at 17:05
	"Charts" refers to our voting process for admission of a band (or not). HP is Heavy Prog and Neo is Neo-prog, the two areas where we feel SB's music mostly fits.

CreepyJohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: September 13 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 54	Posted: November 08 2014 at 16:52
	hi guys, im a bit lost here, what are "HP charts" and "Neo too"?

aapatsos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 11 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 9226	Posted: November 08 2014 at 10:26
	Yes, we are having a friendly debate

yam yam Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 5823	Posted: November 08 2014 at 10:12
	LOL! And Neo too: http://progfreak.com/Stewart-Bell-160152.html?path=pa/recent. Looks like this is going to be a popular release!!

aapatsos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 11 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 9226	Posted: November 08 2014 at 08:51
	on HP charts

CreepyJohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: September 13 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 54	Posted: November 05 2014 at 12:49
	Thanks for sharing this Windhawk :)

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