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    Posted: November 15 2014 at 09:33
Well, some great discussion and passion on "if the flame's gone out". Some may gleen from my posts that I think it has. Well sorry to disappoint, but I don't. Of course being the evil little instigator that I am I thought I'd stir the pot a bit.

So here's my follow up, especially to those of us who were raisied in the Golden age of Prog and experienced the phenomenon live and first hand.

What 5 bands from each decade in the last 30 years have strengthened your faith in our beloved genre .

For me, and by no means a complete list, it would be:

90's
After Crying
Deus Ex Machina
Niacin
Porcupine Tree
Spock's Beard

00's
Gordian Knot
Major Parkinson
Nemo
Presto Ballet
The tangent

10's
Druckfarben
Gran Torino
Haken
Iona
(Still searching for #5 with 5 years to go LOL)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2014 at 10:14
Great, I was just thinking of adding something constructive due to the "last flame" thread.

I already mentioned elsewhere that prog opens up the ability to create a finer sense of
taste in music.  As far as a "faster, more intricate rock with deeper lyrics and longer
compositions," not sure what is going to create that, but like I've said for years on this
site, it will take a deeper, all around education.  Yes, Emerson does come off a bit
shallow in his autobiography, and you can see by the lyrics in his solo works that there
is something that isn't being added in that department (although the lyrics on his band
Three's solo album were not all bad).  Anderson did mention his friendship with the painter
Chagall, and Fripp and Sinfield are deep characters when you study their lives.  People
like Byrne and Eno have some depth.  Where is a similar deepness in the more modern
prog bands?  Neil Morse is Christian, which I admire, but is he also bringing in modern
composers, painters, poets in his references?  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2014 at 10:33
^ No more painters like Chagall. Although, I'm always suspicious of the stories in such gatherings among the greats - in any event they weren't a real buddies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2014 at 10:38
Cardiacs
Motorpsycho
Devin Townsend
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
I.E.M.

The Mars Volta
Enslaved
Hypnos 69

Haken
Seven Impale

Though there has been plenty of great prog from other bands. These just are some of my very favourites.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2014 at 12:16
No more painters like Chagall getting any attention by the mainstream art press.  The museum
market is often like a big investment scam these days.  Pumping up the value of meaningless art so
that too much virtue doesn't rock the boat. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2014 at 13:11
My picks are going to be overwhelmingly metallic, and for the sake of diversity I'm going to pick some less famous artists. Because of that factor, as well as the fact that I don't believe in recommending without description my list is far from finished right now. From the 2000s I like:

Aluk Todolo
Kosmische Musik meets Les Légions Noires, with bits and pieces of goth and post-punk sticking out on the intricate alien fortress of sound these Frankish madmen have conjured up. The kind of music where an entire album is meant to be listened to in one setting, as a journey into some sublimely hellish dimension.


Dark Buddha Rising
Yet another combination of the space-cadet cosmic trips of 1960s/1970s space-rock with the esoteric occultist evil of modern black metal, but this time it's a foundation of sludgy doom metal that's holding it all together. Their songwriting likewise shows a level of ambition that's exceptional for either parent genre.


Morbus Chron
Still being evaluated as they've gone from to a standard Swedish death metal group to applying Voivod and Virus' innovations in melodic phrasing and sonic texturing within that genre's paradigm. The result in something truly unique.


Russian Circles
1970s/1980s traditional heavy metal riffing adapted to soundscapey post-rock. It's one of those things that just shouldn't work, but somehow does and makes for a very unique listening experience. Bonus points for the vaguely "Soviet futuristic" half technological wasteland aeshetic.


From the 2010s:

Papir

Goofy band name, but some of the best modernized Kosmische Musik to come along in a while. Their loose expansive powerdriving space rock jams also manage to show enough technological precision to get this appealing futuristic appeal.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2014 at 13:35
What does this music, mr. mantis, have to do with the first four years of the 1970s and Yes, ELP, KC, and Genesis? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2014 at 13:48
Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:

No more painters like Chagall getting any attention by the mainstream art press.  The museum
market is often like a big investment scam these days.  Pumping up the value of meaningless art so
that too much virtue doesn't rock the boat. 
Exactly. The mainstream in the galleries now is that conceptual art. Not my cup of tea.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2014 at 13:58
Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:

What does this music, mr. mantis, have to do with the first four years of the 1970s and Yes, ELP, KC, and Genesis? 


The progressive elements in Morbus Chron's new music can be traced back to King Crimson's mid-1970s heavy power trio stuff through Voivod. Russian Circles come from a similar source but through Slint instead. Aluk Todolo and DBR's non-metal influences can be drawn back to Amon Düül II, Ash Ra Tempel, Guru Guru and Kosmische Musik's heavier end in general. The same well as Papir are drawing from.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2014 at 14:46
I'll add to the list:

90:s
Änglagård
The Flower Kings
Opeth (their latest release, Pale Communion, is heavily influenced by 70s prog)
Dream Theater
Ayreon

00:s
Riverside
Phideaux
Transatlantic
RPWL
Karmakanic

10:s
Akribi
Nevärlläjf
Haken
Gandalf's Fist
...and maybe Infinite Light?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2014 at 15:41
Originally posted by Lear'sFool Lear'sFool wrote:

Cardiacs
Motorpsycho
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
The Mars Volta
Enslaved
Nice choices!Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2014 at 22:14
As for bands in the 2010's, I can easily find 5 that have produced masterpiece ( or near ) albums since 2010.

In no particular order.

1 - Leprous
2 - Big Big Train
3 - Voyager
4 - Phideaux
5 - Enslaved



Edited by GlassHanded - November 16 2014 at 22:17
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2014 at 23:01
The big problem for me is early prog giants were real artists and had strong influences of great music that came before them---and created something new and unique from those influences-- which came from many different genres, jazz, classical, folk, theater, avant garde---later prog bands were mostly influenced by these bands and what they were doing, rather than by searching back into the great archives of music history---so the bands started to sound similar and far less creative.Ermm 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2014 at 23:02
Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

The big problem for me is early prog giants were real artists and had strong influences of great music that came before them---and created something new and unique from those influences-- which came from many different genres, jazz, classical, folk, theater, avant garde---later prog bands were mostly influenced by these bands and what they were doing, rather than by searching back into the great archives of music history---so the bands started to sound similar and far less creative.Ermm 

Oh lord not this crap again. 
Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2014 at 23:19
90's
Sigur Ros
Don Caballero
Anekdoten
Echolyn
Radiohead

00's
The Mars Volta
Kayo Dot
Gazpacho
Maudlin of the Well
Porcupine Tree

Some crossover but oh well. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2014 at 01:36
90's
Par Lindh Project
Radiohead
Porcupine Tree
Anglagard
Mansun
Glass Hammer
Muse
Big Big Train
Anathema
Spocks Beard

00's
The Mars Volta
Riverside
Coheed and Cambria
Deluge Grander
Birds and Buildings


10's
Three Monks
Wolf People
Corvus Stone


I've expanded my 90's list because that was such a great decade for prog and second only to the 70's.

I will leave 2 slots open for the 10's as we still have a long way to go ( and I was struggling to come up with many namesSmile)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2014 at 08:09
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

The big problem for me is early prog giants were real artists and had strong influences of great music that came before them---and created something new and unique from those influences-- which came from many different genres, jazz, classical, folk, theater, avant garde---later prog bands were mostly influenced by these bands and what they were doing, rather than by searching back into the great archives of music history---so the bands started to sound similar and far less creative.Ermm 

Oh lord not this crap again. 

LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2014 at 08:41
90's:
Motorpsycho
Devin Townsend
Parallel or 90 Degrees
Phish
Threshold

00's
The Mars Volta
Agalloch
A Silver mt. Zion
Pain of Salvation
maudlin of the Well
Kayo Dot

10's
Leprous
Haken
Karnivool
Fright Pig
Can't really choose a fifth artist yet, mainly due to me not knowing enough music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2014 at 10:12
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

The big problem for me is early prog giants were real artists and had strong influences of great music that came before them---and created something new and unique from those influences-- which came from many different genres, jazz, classical, folk, theater, avant garde---later prog bands were mostly influenced by these bands and what they were doing, rather than by searching back into the great archives of music history---so the bands started to sound similar and far less creative.Ermm 

Oh lord not this crap again. 

LOL  yeah this crap again---but that is not to say I don't like a lot of the bands mentioned in infinite lights and richards lists.


Edited by twosteves - November 17 2014 at 10:15
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2014 at 11:12
I would add Cloudkicker and Animals As Leaders to the ´10 list, think they haven´t been mentioned yet.
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