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JD
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Topic: Fanning the Flame Posted: November 15 2014 at 09:33 |
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Well, some great discussion and passion on "if the flame's gone out". Some may gleen from my posts that I think it has. Well sorry to disappoint, but I don't. Of course being the evil little instigator that I am I thought I'd stir the pot a bit.
So here's my follow up, especially to those of us who were raisied in the Golden age of Prog and experienced the phenomenon live and first hand. What 5 bands from each decade in the last 30 years have strengthened your faith in our beloved genre . For me, and by no means a complete list, it would be: 90's After Crying Deus Ex Machina Niacin Porcupine Tree Spock's Beard 00's Gordian Knot Major Parkinson Nemo Presto Ballet The tangent 10's Druckfarben Gran Torino Haken Iona (Still searching for #5 with 5 years to go ) |
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brainstormer
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 20 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Status: Offline Points: 887 |
Posted: November 15 2014 at 10:14 | |
Great, I was just thinking of adding something constructive due to the "last flame" thread.
I already mentioned elsewhere that prog opens up the ability to create a finer sense of taste in music. As far as a "faster, more intricate rock with deeper lyrics and longer compositions," not sure what is going to create that, but like I've said for years on this site, it will take a deeper, all around education. Yes, Emerson does come off a bit shallow in his autobiography, and you can see by the lyrics in his solo works that there is something that isn't being added in that department (although the lyrics on his band Three's solo album were not all bad). Anderson did mention his friendship with the painter Chagall, and Fripp and Sinfield are deep characters when you study their lives. People like Byrne and Eno have some depth. Where is a similar deepness in the more modern prog bands? Neil Morse is Christian, which I admire, but is he also bringing in modern composers, painters, poets in his references? |
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Svetonio
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 10:33 | |
^ No more painters like Chagall. Although, I'm always suspicious of the stories in such gatherings among the greats - in any event they weren't a real buddies.
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LearsFool
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 09 2014 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 8625 |
Posted: November 15 2014 at 10:38 | |
Cardiacs Motorpsycho Devin Townsend Godspeed You! Black Emperor I.E.M. The Mars Volta Enslaved Hypnos 69 Haken Seven Impale Though there has been plenty of great prog from other bands. These just are some of my very favourites.
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brainstormer
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 12:16 | |
No more painters like Chagall getting any attention by the mainstream art press. The museum
market is often like a big investment scam these days. Pumping up the value of meaningless art so that too much virtue doesn't rock the boat.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 13:11 | |
My picks are going to be overwhelmingly metallic, and for the sake of diversity I'm going to pick some less famous artists. Because of that factor, as well as the fact that I don't believe in recommending without description my list is far from finished right now. From the 2000s I like:
Aluk Todolo Kosmische Musik meets Les Légions Noires, with bits and pieces of goth and post-punk sticking out on the intricate alien fortress of sound these Frankish madmen have conjured up. The kind of music where an entire album is meant to be listened to in one setting, as a journey into some sublimely hellish dimension. Dark Buddha Rising Yet another combination of the space-cadet cosmic trips of 1960s/1970s space-rock with the esoteric occultist evil of modern black metal, but this time it's a foundation of sludgy doom metal that's holding it all together. Their songwriting likewise shows a level of ambition that's exceptional for either parent genre. Morbus Chron Still being evaluated as they've gone from to a standard Swedish death metal group to applying Voivod and Virus' innovations in melodic phrasing and sonic texturing within that genre's paradigm. The result in something truly unique. Russian Circles 1970s/1980s traditional heavy metal riffing adapted to soundscapey post-rock. It's one of those things that just shouldn't work, but somehow does and makes for a very unique listening experience. Bonus points for the vaguely "Soviet futuristic" half technological wasteland aeshetic. From the 2010s: Papir Goofy band name, but some of the best modernized Kosmische Musik to come along in a while. Their loose expansive powerdriving space rock jams also manage to show enough technological precision to get this appealing futuristic appeal. |
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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brainstormer
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 13:35 | |
What does this music, mr. mantis, have to do with the first four years of the 1970s and Yes, ELP, KC, and Genesis?
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Svetonio
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 13:48 | |
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 13:58 | |
The progressive elements in Morbus Chron's new music can be traced back to King Crimson's mid-1970s heavy power trio stuff through Voivod. Russian Circles come from a similar source but through Slint instead. Aluk Todolo and DBR's non-metal influences can be drawn back to Amon Düül II, Ash Ra Tempel, Guru Guru and Kosmische Musik's heavier end in general. The same well as Papir are drawing from. |
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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Infinite Light
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 14:46 | |
I'll add to the list:
90:s Änglagård The Flower Kings Opeth (their latest release, Pale Communion, is heavily influenced by 70s prog) Dream Theater Ayreon 00:s Riverside Phideaux Transatlantic RPWL Karmakanic 10:s Akribi Nevärlläjf Haken Gandalf's Fist ...and maybe Infinite Light? |
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The Bearded Bard
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 15:41 | |
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GlassHanded
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 22:14 | |
As for bands in the 2010's, I can easily find 5 that have produced masterpiece ( or near ) albums since 2010.
In no particular order. 1 - Leprous 2 - Big Big Train 3 - Voyager 4 - Phideaux 5 - Enslaved Edited by GlassHanded - November 16 2014 at 22:17 |
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twosteves
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 23:01 | |
The big problem for me is early prog giants were real artists and had strong influences of great music that came before them---and created something new and unique from those influences-- which came from many different genres, jazz, classical, folk, theater, avant garde---later prog bands were mostly influenced by these bands and what they were doing, rather than by searching back into the great archives of music history---so the bands started to sound similar and far less creative.
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Horizons
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 23:02 | |
Oh lord not this crap again.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Horizons
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 23:19 | |
90's
Sigur Ros Don Caballero Anekdoten Echolyn Radiohead 00's The Mars Volta Kayo Dot Gazpacho Maudlin of the Well Porcupine Tree Some crossover but oh well. |
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26171 |
Posted: November 17 2014 at 01:36 | |
90's
Par Lindh Project Radiohead Porcupine Tree Anglagard Mansun Glass Hammer Muse Big Big Train Anathema Spocks Beard 00's The Mars Volta Riverside Coheed and Cambria Deluge Grander Birds and Buildings 10's Three Monks Wolf People Corvus Stone I've expanded my 90's list because that was such a great decade for prog and second only to the 70's. I will leave 2 slots open for the 10's as we still have a long way to go ( and I was struggling to come up with many names)
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twosteves
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Posted: November 17 2014 at 08:09 | |
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'PiphanyRambler
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 16 2014 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 120 |
Posted: November 17 2014 at 08:41 | |
90's:
Motorpsycho Devin Townsend Parallel or 90 Degrees Phish Threshold 00's The Mars Volta Agalloch A Silver mt. Zion Pain of Salvation maudlin of the Well Kayo Dot 10's Leprous Haken Karnivool Fright Pig Can't really choose a fifth artist yet, mainly due to me not knowing enough music. |
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twosteves
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Posted: November 17 2014 at 10:12 | |
yeah this crap again---but that is not to say I don't like a lot of the bands mentioned in infinite lights and richards lists.
Edited by twosteves - November 17 2014 at 10:15 |
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grayjedi
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 11:12 | |
I would add Cloudkicker and Animals As Leaders to the ´10 list, think they haven´t been mentioned yet.
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