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I usually move towards avant garde when introducing people, its weirder sounding but it doesn't sound as old and corny to them (not that I think prog is corny except for newer bands like the flower kings, transatlantic, ect.)

They usually dig it, Ive even had good comments from playing the Residents.
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I've found that with colleagues that are into mainstream pop music with dashes of AOR, sometimes the easiest steps are using those albums that the greats of the 1970s did in the 1980s. You know, like Yes' 90125 and other albums of that quality. Some people need "baby steps." Still, others are adventurous enough to take a leap off a cliff (e.g. Area's Maledetti).
 
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I'd give them records of modern bands such as Dream Theater, Angra and Symphony X. That said, there are thounsands of DT fans in Argentina, but most of them are into metal. So it's not an easy task to make people appreciate 70's prog even if they like those bands.
Also...whatever you do, don't start your "prog 101 lessons" with "Pawn Hearts" or "TFTO" LOL We want people to like prog, not hate it. 

 
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I have a bunch of friends that like weird unpredictable music, but when I introduce them to prog it just doesn't click for them. I thinks it because its to dated, I guess.
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Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Are you guys willing to do a little test survey with me? This could be interesting for PA site too. I'll make a new forum topic and post 3 completely different songs by one artist (certainly prog by anyone's view), with this band I have converted some women and men into liking "prog". HugQuestion 
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Are you serious? In what part of the world did you do this? I certainly hope not in the U.S...where we may very well have those certain famous Prog cities cultivated by sincere Prog heads, where upon outsiders gain interest through gossip circulation , but the majority of the country is split in sections where specific styles of commercially viable music take hold with a populated amount of spectators. America has always been a big fat commercial exploitation with the arts. For example, in the 70's.. many European Rock bands would gain the opportunity to have their album released in the U.S. with a domestic hard back cover and their first question was..."Well, why can't we use the original album cover?" The second question would be..."Why are you people changing  the order of the tracks?" The third question would be..."Why have you omitted certain album tracks?" hug
 
Have you tried this with Americans who have been living in the commercial dream world for years? This country used to have a appreciation for Prog and it's authenticity. Ironically, that had a lot to do with they way Prog was being presented through the media. Some Americans question why they should pay attention to a style of music ..such as Prog...when it literally fell by the wayside long ago, which leaves their poor little minds to wonder if the music wasn't lame in the first place in order for this whole disaster to occur.  

 
 
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Yes I have and succeeded at it too. One of them is a PA member called Kozmo, she is a self-professed metalhead. My cousin Tatiana too, both became almost obsessed with POS while at first not quite understand what progressive moozik was at first. I can name atleast 5 people who I introduced to POS and they became even bigger fans then me Confused
We need to open up more and give people more credit, none prog listeners at times are more receptive especially to new prog bands compared to some current prog listeners. Their excitement is infectious Smile big hug to you, Hug
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

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Sonia, I have a feeling that your considerable charms also help your cause. Wink
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Yes somehow this is true, SteveG. I relate charm to a positive outlook and speaking with conviction  things that makes you happy while also having an altruistic sense/need/urge inside you to share the wonderful happy feeling inside you in the hopes that others might feel so happy as you too at the time Big smile such a wonderful feeling really.
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Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Are you serious? In what part of the world did you do this? I certainly hope not in the U.S...where we may very well have those certain famous Prog cities cultivated by sincere Prog heads, where upon outsiders gain interest through gossip circulation, but the majority of the country is split in sections where specific styles of commercially viable music take hold with a populated amount of spectators.
Sounds like that movie, Divergent.
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Are you guys willing to do a little test survey with me? This could be interesting for PA site too. I'll make a new forum topic and post 3 completely different songs by one artist (certainly prog by anyone's view), with this band I have converted some women and men into liking "prog". HugQuestion 
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Are you serious? In what part of the world did you do this? I certainly hope not in the U.S...where we may very well have those certain famous Prog cities cultivated by sincere Prog heads, where upon outsiders gain interest through gossip circulation , but the majority of the country is split in sections where specific styles of commercially viable music take hold with a populated amount of spectators. America has always been a big fat commercial exploitation with the arts. For example, in the 70's.. many European Rock bands would gain the opportunity to have their album released in the U.S. with a domestic hard back cover and their first question was..."Well, why can't we use the original album cover?" The second question would be..."Why are you people changing  the order of the tracks?" The third question would be..."Why have you omitted certain album tracks?"
 
Have you tried this with Americans who have been living in the commercial dream world for years? This country used to have a appreciation for Prog and it's authenticity. Ironically, that had a lot to do with they way Prog was being presented through the media. Some Americans question why they should pay attention to a style of music ..such as Prog...when it literally fell by the wayside long ago, which leaves their poor little minds to wonder if the music wasn't lame in the first place in order for this whole disaster to occur.  

 
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Are you guys willing to do a little test survey with me? This could be interesting for PA site too. I'll make a new forum topic and post 3 completely different songs by one artist (certainly prog by anyone's view), with this band I have converted some women and men into liking "prog". HugQuestion 
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The little problem I found sometimes with introducing people to prog especially Big smile
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With gusto (and no catchy Peter Gabriel in the vein of Sledgehammer!)!
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

I think you should not start by just letting someone listen to some Prog music. The world of Prog is much more than the music as such, it is a universe in itself, like a giant maze full of amazing things waiting to be discovered by those who dare to venture into it. We serious Prog fans care about much more than the simple pleasure of listening to a nice piece of music. Once we have got deep enough into the maze's entrance we start appreciating many other wonders beyond the music itself: the lyrics, the artworks, the individual musicians with their character and their skills, the often tumultuous stories of the bands and the relationships between their members, the relationships between bands and sub-genres, the chronological-historical aspects, the instruments...  And places like PA where all those things can be discovered and discussed with other nice people. And when you are deep enough such as a frequent PA visitor, you know with certainty that the maze is so big that you can never possibly discover all of its hidden wonders, the source of Prog nectar is inexhaustible.

So what you need to get someone possibly interested into Prog is not playing them a few songs but somehow let them feel that aspect of Prog, let them see that there exists some obscure endless world, a hidden sub-culture, where someone who dares to have a peek and stay for long enough to start appreciating what lies in there has big chances of getting sucked and be revealed an endless source of wonders, an endless trip of exploration and discovery going far beyond enjoying listening to some music. If they understand this they may get intrigued into starting exploring the maze's entrance by themselves.

This makes it sound really cool. Or really creepyweird like some kind of cult.
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With me it’s been sporadic at best. 

 

My biggest “success story” was with a guy I had a correspondence with in the 1980s, originally out of mutual interests in comics and animation.  We were already around the same age, and when we started discussing music, we found out our interests already overlapped in some areas.  His tastes were already pretty varied; he was already a fan of Tull, Yes, ELP, but oddly was unfamiliar with Genesis prior to their more commercial period.  So through mix tapes I sent him I turned him on to Genesis, Steve Hackett, Ant Phillips, Happy the Man, Kit Watkins and much much more.

 

Other than that, the reactions I’ve gotten might best be described as a raucous burst of indifference.  When I was staying in a Navy barracks between 1981-83, I would leave the door to my room ajar so that anyone who wanted to could stick his head in and inquire about whatever I had playing.  But I got very few if any takers.  Ermm

 

I had a manufacturing job a few years ago where I was usually working in a slightly more isolated area (though with a lot of passing foot traffic) where I could pretty well listen to whatever I wanted.  But again I’d get little response.  There was one guy who often worked the same hours I did, and our tastes overlapped a little but not so much in prog.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


I don't think this can ever be done with a hip hop fan as I remember one making fun of the genre to his girlfriend in a specialty record shop. However, the girlfriend still seemed  fascinated by the very name 'Progressive rock', so as long as there's an interest, there's hope.

I was and still am a hip hop fan. It's definitely possible to get one into prog but it depends on their tastes. someone who is into RATM might be able to get into Tool. Someone who is into A Tribe Called Quest might be able to get into jazz and then get into jazz rock. Someone who is into Beastie boys might be able to get into classic rock and then get into prog rock. But if they listen to 50 Cent there probably isn't any hope for them.
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^I stand corrected MM, but that's why I brought up the young man's girlfriend who seemed more open minded.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

 
I don't think this can ever be done with a hip hop fan as I remember one making fun of the genre to his girlfriend in a specialty record shop. However, the girlfriend still seemed  fascinated by the very name 'Progressive rock', so as long as there's an interest, there's hope.


That reminds me of a friend who's big into hip-hop, but that's not all. He likes The Dixie Chicks, Rush, Zappa, Animals as Leaders, Drake, be-bop, anything under the sun. And he used to be a singer in a death metal band. LOL People are indeed hard to comprehend.
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One of my friends asked my about the kind of music that I listen to after became curious in the Genesis shirt I was wearing. The next day she told me that she had looked them up and listened to most of their albums online, and that she had really enjoyed them. Since then I've been sharing some of my other prog CDs with her, most of which she has also liked.
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I've tried. It really doesn't work unless they already have a foot in the door.

But careful selection is important. Some young people just don't like old music. I've got a friend who enjoys American folk music. I played Jethro Tull while we were in the car one time. Though he liked it, he said he couldn't stand the fact that it didn't sound modern. It's funny though, because he calls himself a Zeppelin fan. LOL But yes they are very different.

And another friend of mine is a huge electronic music fan. But again, he didn't really dig Tangerine Dream because it was a bit aged for him.



So I don't really try anymore to expose other people to prog, depending on the person. But when someone turns the radio on and asks what station I'd like to hear, I am emphatic that 90% of the music is crap (yes I know that's a bit broad) and there's a 100% chance it won't play what I'd like to hear. But then I'll explain the music I listen to doesn't belong on FM radio; it's not made for that format. But at that point, people assume that because it's not on radio, it must be weird or garbage. The connections folks make are interesting.
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Now that I recall, I turned on a friend who is a Styx and Journey AOR fan to Spock's Beard's X album. He later bought the new SB Brief Nocturnes album.
So again, I think it can be done if your targeted audience is at least into some form of Rock.
 
I don't think this can ever be done with a hip hop fan as I remember one making fun of the genre to his girlfriend in a specialty record shop. However, the girlfriend still seemed  fascinated by the very name 'Progressive rock', so as long as there's an interest, there's hope.


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