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Topic: Red: King Crimson Posted: January 17 2015 at 16:39 |
1974's Red. Is it better than Starless and Bible Black or a disappointing follow up? Or somewhere in the middle?
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 16:51 |
The first time I ever heard Red, it shattered whatever expectations I had of it beforehand. It packed a whole lot of power, especially in Starless. SaBB was much more of an acquired taste, but it's still very interesting. Red is certainly better, though.
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 17:50 |
I'd say somewhere in the middle. SaBB was my 1st Crimso album so will always be hard to beat. When I bought Red a few months later, it sounded much more like USA than SaBB and I liked that heavier sound, problem was after a few listens I got tired of Starless so spent all my time listening to side 1...which made it kind of half an album compared to SaBB. OTOH, One More Red Nightmare still beats anything on SaBB for me...ya, somewhere in the middle
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 17:55 |
I'd call it an equal to SaBB. I didn't like Red as much at first, though.
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 18:10 |
I'd say that Starless and Bible Black is more dark and visceral, while Red is more polished. Personally, both are great favourites of mine, though I tend to play the former when I want to experience the rawer side of KC, and the latter when I'm in the mood for a bit more melody.
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 18:15 |
LTIA > Red > SAAB
all essential albums but that's my preference.
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 18:25 |
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 18:26 |
I like Red better myself,in fact Red is my favorite KC album,followed closely by SABB
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 18:30 |
aye... not a fan of this era. Much of the acclaim for it goes over my head.
Equal for me... Red has starless, the previous has the raucous lead track.. both I love... but obvious disimilar. The rest of both albums... ehhh.
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 20:03 |
Red is probably my favorite of that era. A stunner. Wetton was the man back then!
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 20:11 |
Red is much stronger than SaBB for my taste. I guess I go for the heavier sound......
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 20:11 |
HolyMoly wrote:
LTIA > Red > SAAB
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I'll agree with this.
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 22:07 |
Red is too stark and slow for me. David Cross' contribution is sorely missing. I spend a lot of time waiting for something to happen in it, very boring except for Providence. I love Lark's Tongues and Starless and Bible Black, so put me down for disappointing follow up.
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 22:09 |
Red, as Ivan and Hugues noted in their reviews, actually has a nostalgic, throwback quality, sort of tying up the Wetton-KC, which Fripp himself later opined had perhaps gone too far in the direction of experimentation, with the more organised and melodic ITCOTCK phase. This is particularly evident on Starless with its mournful mellotron. For that reason, its's my favourite of the trio. It is imo a culmination of the Wetton KC philosophy, finally contextualising their brilliant experiments in earlier albums into a more structured set of compositions. Having said that, I like LTIA almost as much. SABB is the one I am not so fond of.
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Posted: January 17 2015 at 22:18 |
Lark's Tongues - 5 Red - 4.5 Bible Black - 4 Wetton era Crimso produced phenomenal stuff really. ......or if you're a drummer, then Bruford era.......
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Posted: January 18 2015 at 00:19 |
I do like this album a lot. However, my very favourite song, Starless, I much prefer live, since that is the way I first heard it, and for me the main melody is made to be played with a violin. My second favourite song, Red, I much prefer on later live versions by the double trio line-up. And Providence, I'm afraid I just can't get into that one... improvs are just not my thing. As how I rate it compared to SaBB, well, I haven't heard that album, so it's difficult to tell, but I think I have heard almost every song from that album on other live albums (except for the title track)... and since that album was largely constructed from live recordings anyway, well, I guess I could say I almost have the whole album... in parts. However, most of those songs I have heard didn't do much for me, except for Fracture, which I do enjoy.
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Posted: January 18 2015 at 00:23 |
SteveG wrote:
1974's Red. Is it better than Starless and Bible Black or a disappointing follow up? Or somewhere in the middle? |
As far as I'm concerned, it's not as good as SABB (it would have to score a lot of femininity to top that one), but it's also nowhere near "disappointing". An excellent release. "Starless" is a great closer.
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Posted: January 18 2015 at 02:18 |
Best album of King Crimson for me. Every songs are perfect except Providence. I find it a little bit boring. But Starless is one of the greatest songs of all time.
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Posted: January 18 2015 at 08:01 |
Much better than SaBB. Probably my favourite KC album.
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Posted: January 19 2015 at 09:37 |
Hi,
Let me go listen to it for the umpteenth time and then tell you what I felt and thought!
On 2nd thought forget it ... I'm just gonna close my eyes and fade away with it. Sorry ... no inner mind porn to tell you about it!
Edited by moshkito - January 19 2015 at 09:37
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