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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2015 at 14:04
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

While I don't believe they did a total jump, certainly aspects of their careers did, specifically the Love Beach LP cover or the absolutely dreadful 'Taste of My Love' from that same album. I think I actually laughed out loud and shook my head when I first heard that song.


 
I agree totally although there was a 'sleazy' aspect of ELP's lyrics which seemed to surface occasionally. Jeremy Bender , Living Sin and So Far To Fall are other examples. Those are redeemed a little with some great playing while A Taste Of My Love has the ..errrm synth horn sound not a lot else.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2015 at 14:01
In the Hot Seat wasn't great so that would be my vote. Personally, Hallowed Be Thy Name is a great song!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2015 at 12:28
While I don't believe they did a total jump, certainly aspects of their careers did, specifically the Love Beach LP cover or the absolutely dreadful 'Taste of My Love' from that same album. I think I actually laughed out loud and shook my head when I first heard that song.

To illustrate this more clearly, Triumvirat came similarly close with A La Carte but totally jumped with Russian Roulette.

Rick Wakeman jumped with his 'Listzomania' performance. But his music continued to delight...most of the time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2015 at 11:46
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

It is generally accepted, I've gathered, that Love Beach was ELP's creative low point, but what exact song in the trio's catalog signaled the end of their most productive era and truly proved that the band had "jumped the shark"? For those still needing an explanation of the phrase "jump the shark," it's a reference to an episode of the popular American TV comedy Happy Days parodying the '50s in which a character named Fonzie jumps a shark tank on his motocycle. The episode was immediately heralded as the beginning of the end for the show, quality-wise, and since then, jumping the shark has been applied to that point in time when other TV shows (and careers) have gone sour. Anywho, my vote goes to Works I's Hallowed Be Thy Name. Goofy as all get out but understandable among the mish-mash of other selections on that album. Still, a big let-down that gave one the sense that things were beginning to wrap up for a once formidable prog giant.
 
Emerson , Lake, and Palmer were 3 individuals with different music tastes and when they composed, it was very obvious that their personal directions in music could have very well been conflicting with each other personally. Carl Palmer was definitely interested in following Keith Emerson's direction and enjoying himself with the gymnastic aspect to it. Apparently it appealed to him which is why the 2 of them were such a perfect pair regarding their interplay during live transmission, but still...Carl Palmer liked different kinds of music that didn't appeal to Keith Emerson...so perhaps Palmer was there to take a ride and have fun.


All 3 of them "sold out" with a degree of commercialized formula type material. Carl Palmer produced some more commercially viable material with Asia. Keith Emerson produced some "Funk" oriented commercial sounding 80's mainstream material on his solo album "Changing States" ...but he also recorded "Hang On To A Dream" when he was in The Nice. The song was written by Tim Hardin..(I believe), but Emerson had an interest in songwriting and to understand that you have to view his entire career and pick up on the essence of it.  "Hang On To A Dream" was a commercially viable song that even Jeremy Spencer from Fleetwood Mac covered at the BBC and as Spencer had an interest in songwriting more than Progressive Rock. He disliked "In The Court Of The Crimson King" and most Progressive Rock in general. Keith Emerson also had skills to be a commercial songwriter and Jeremy Spencer was covering the song like The Nice did ...so keep in mind that Emerson could have already composed commercially viable songs ...on his own...that were never released...and many years before the release of Tarkus.

Greg Lake was then ...and is now...still..a full scale one hundred percent skilled commercial singer/songwriter. Beginning with "Lucky Man", which many people may not think that to be commercial, but in 1971..it could have been..because it really did not differ THAT MUCH from a commercial "Folk Rock" song on AM radio in the 70's. "From The Beginning" was a little more crafty and much smoother and could actually be compared to a Jazzy Folk oriented tune written by Joni Mitchell in the late 70's. As time progressed Greg Lake made attempts to be more mainstream sounding and it is evident that exists on Works Vol. I.     ELP worked very hard  at being progressive...no doubt...but Emerson and Lake were ..aside from that...skilled songwriters. Carl Palmer had a personal interest in that aspect to writing as well..as he has a track record of working with singer/songwriters..unlike Jeff Beck who gave up on singer/songwriters and released successful instrumental albums in the 70's. I believe that ELP were under the same pressures from the record companies that every other Progressive Rock band was under during that particular time period. Most of those pressures revolved around getting rid of the drawn out progressive side and replacing it with more contrived material and that's around the time Love Beach was released. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2015 at 11:02
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

what exact song in the trio's catalog signaled the end of their most productive era and truly proved that the band had "jumped the shark"?


The Christmas one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2015 at 10:18
They peaked with the wonderful Brain Salad Surgery and then declined gradually from there, but still produced a lot of great music along the way on the Works albums and ELPowell plus a few decent tracks on Black Moon. Love Beach was a disappointment compared to what went before but I don't think it equated to 'jumping the shark' as it's still an okay album music-wise (the title and cover photo are obviously a different matter). 1994's In The Hot Seat is where they truly vaulted the said toothy fish as, even as an ELP diehard, I'm struggling to think of anything positive to say about it - it's the one album I wish ELP hadn't made.

Personally speaking I think most of the original bands had "jumped the shark" Prog-wise by the early 80s - ELP actually took a bit longer!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2015 at 09:46
It is generally accepted, I've gathered, that Love Beach was ELP's creative low point, but what exact song in the trio's catalog signaled the end of their most productive era and truly proved that the band had "jumped the shark"? For those still needing an explanation of the phrase "jump the shark," it's a reference to an episode of the popular American TV comedy Happy Days parodying the '50s in which a character named Fonzie jumps a shark tank on his motocycle. The episode was immediately heralded as the beginning of the end for the show, quality-wise, and since then, jumping the shark has been applied to that point in time when other TV shows (and careers) have gone sour. Anywho, my vote goes to Works I's Hallowed Be Thy Name. Goofy as all get out but understandable among the mish-mash of other selections on that album. Still, a big let-down that gave one the sense that things were beginning to wrap up for a once formidable prog giant.
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