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Posted: April 02 2015 at 08:17
Blacksword wrote:
Leaves me cold to be honest.
Orchestral re-workings of rock music don't really do it for me generally. Personal taste.
I think it depends. When you hear Caravan and the New Sinfonia, you realize that the rock instruments CAN mix with an orchestra and work very well. The main problem with rock music, or jazz music, is that too much of it is centered about one instrument, or star, and all of a sudden the rest of the work is not as important ... and I think that hurts the music in the end, although I think that eventually, the star part will disappear and the music be considered one piece.
Some things work ... a couple of the pieces Michael Kamen did with a few rock bands were actually alright and made Queensryche sound and look better than they really were (check out the other triple threat thread on PA!!!) ... but it did showcase a very nice piece of work, which I think was more about Nyman here than the band itself.
This is a concern, but then, if you tracked the 50's and 60 and 70's, it was all about the "CONDUCTOR" and their differences were quite interesting and far out in its own way. Try listening to the Rite of Spring done by Karajhan and then the one by Bernstein ... it's almost a different experience altogether, and this will happen to rock music, regardless!
Edited by moshkito - April 03 2015 at 08:48
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Orchestral re-workings of rock music don't really do it for me generally. Personal taste.
I think it depends. When you hear Caravan and the New Sinfonia, you realize that the rock instruments CAN mix with an orchestra and work very well. The main problem with rock music, or jazz music, is that the "star" doesn't want to lose his spot on the limelight.
From the perspective of the 'virtuoso soloist' tradition in Rock this perhaps has a vestige of truth but so much prescient music in modernity eschews this precedent entirely. It's not as if Wagner, Stravinsky, Liszt, Beethoven, Berlioz, Sibelius, Mozart, Brahms, Haydn and Rossini were the epitome of selfless team players who bequeathed their royalties to the musicians union now is it?
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Posted: April 02 2015 at 08:48
moshkito wrote:
Some things work ... a couple of the pieces Michael Nyman did with a few rock bands were actually alright and made Queensryche sound and look better than they really were (check out the other triple threat thread on PA!!!) ... but it did showcase a very nice piece of work, which I think was more about Nyman here than the band itself.
Nyman...
Michael Nyman...
...the English minimalist composer
...who collaborated with Peter Greenaway on those pretentious and arse-numbing art house films
Or maybe perhaps, just possibly, you might be thinking of Michael Kamen - the geezer who worked with Pink Floyd, Metallica, Sting, Coldplay, Kate Bush and erm... Queensr˙che?
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Posted: April 02 2015 at 10:11
M27Barney wrote:
I'd much rather listen to orchestral music being played by a prog metal band!!! - anybody know of any examples please!
It's actually quite rare, though the choice of music tends to be predictable.
Therion did a Prog Metal version of Carl Orff's O Fortuna. (yup - that predictable)
Savatage and The Trans Siberian Orchestra (TSO) plunder Mozart, Bach and Beethoven quite a bit though as I recall they don't play entire pieces. Savatage's The Hall Of The Mountain King album uses Grieg's music from Peer Gynt in the opening track Prelude to Madness, which also pinches a note or two from Holst's Mars.
O Fortuna also crops up on a TSO album (Night Castle) retitled Carmina Burana (presumably for America audiences ) ... an album that also features The Flower Duet from Delibes' opera Lakmé but retitled as Child Of The Night and with completely different lyrics (which is a shameful crime in my book).
I once heard an album by a metal band that did a number of classical covers but unfortunately have been unable to remember who they were or what the album was called - It had a version of Holst's Mars on it at a time when Imogen Holst still owned the copyright so perhaps it was pulled.
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Posted: April 02 2015 at 14:24
The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, founded by the late, great, Sir Thomas Beecham!
Oddly, though my favourite music is orchestral, I don't really get that enthusiastic about this kind of thing with progressive rock and an orchestra, it doesn't really move me. Just personal taste, I guess.
I prefer when a prog band transcribes classical orchestral music and plays it with rock band instruments, like ELP and Triumvirat do sometimes, or lesser knowns like Pell Mell or The Pink Mice.
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Posted: April 02 2015 at 14:40
presdoug wrote:
The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, founded by the late, great, Sir Thomas Beecham!
Oddly, though my favourite music is orchestral, I don't really get that enthusiastic about this kind of thing with progressive rock and an orchestra, it doesn't really move me. Just personal taste, I guess.
I prefer when a prog band transcribes classical orchestral music and plays it with rock band instruments, like ELP and Triumvirat do sometimes, or lesser knowns like Pell Mell or The Pink Mice.
For a moment there, I thought you were going to post without mentioning Triumvirat.
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Posted: April 03 2015 at 08:49
Dean wrote:
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Or maybe perhaps, just possibly, you might be thinking of Michael Kamen - the geezer who worked with Pink Floyd, Metallica, Sting, Coldplay, Kate Bush and erm... Queensr˙che?
Fixed ... accidental mistake.
Perhaps you could be more educated and nice and sent me an email suggesting it be fixed instead of grandstanding your holiness!
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Posted: April 03 2015 at 09:02
moshkito wrote:
Dean wrote:
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Or maybe perhaps, just possibly, you might be thinking of Michael Kamen - the geezer who worked with Pink Floyd, Metallica, Sting, Coldplay, Kate Bush and erm... Queensr˙che?
Fixed ... accidental mistake.
Perhaps you could be more educated and nice and sent me an email suggesting it be fixed instead of grandstanding your holiness!
I don't even think Voltaire could devise a parody that would encompass the clueless irony of that phrase.
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Posted: April 03 2015 at 11:36
The Dark Elf wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Dean wrote:
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Or maybe perhaps, just possibly, you might be thinking of Michael Kamen - the geezer who worked with Pink Floyd, Metallica, Sting, Coldplay, Kate Bush and erm... Queensr˙che?
Fixed ... accidental mistake.
Perhaps you could be more educated and nice and sent me an email suggesting it be fixed instead of grandstanding your holiness!
I don't even think Voltaire could devise a parody that would encompass the clueless irony of that phrase.
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Posted: April 03 2015 at 14:53
^^
moshkito wrote:
Dean wrote:
...
Or maybe perhaps, just possibly, you might be thinking of Michael Kamen - the geezer who worked with Pink Floyd, Metallica, Sting, Coldplay, Kate Bush and erm... Queensr˙che?
Fixed ... accidental mistake.
Perhaps you could be more educated and nice and sent me an email suggesting it be fixed instead of grandstanding your holiness!
But then it wouldn't have been as funny or as entertaining.
Life lesson #2367: make a misteak and I'll jump on it like a rabid hyaena.
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