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    Posted: April 28 2015 at 02:06
How is "Dead" defined ? - the first phase of prog had it's popularity in main-stream music magazines (1970-76) and it was at it's zenith then (in Britain, anyway) - The money-men realised that they could make far more money out of manufacturing music for the masses (1976) and thus musicians who wanted to do their own thing and not just make money were cast aside! But I think that the flame has kept burning by the die-hards here in Britain - Mind U in Holland/Germany prog has always had far more fans than here in blighty!!!
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As far as I understand, this thread is rather for getting acquainted with newer bands than for finding out if symphonic prog is alive(dead). Still I'm gonna take the thread title srsly. So the answer is - symphonic rock is not dead, prog rock is dead nowadays(and so is symphonic prog or w/e).
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Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

I dare say it's not dead at all. I hope the OP can appreciate Tiger Moth Tales, a.k.a. Peter Jones.



What a beautiful song ! And with your enthusiastic great review I think it's not going to take me long to order the album. 
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^ Nice. Aside from those mentioned in OP, speaking of the 00's to now, there's Echolyn, Glass Hammer, IQ, Frost*, Big Big Train, Thieves' Kitchen, Nick Magnus, Kant Freud Kafka, Ciccada, Kotebel, Karfagen, Mars Hollow, Luca Scherani, Salem Hill and classics like Steve Hackett, Tempano, PFM and Museo Rosenbach with great recent albums. There's plenty more I could mention. In all honesty, I think it's doing better than most genres.
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I dare say it's not dead at all. I hope the OP can appreciate Tiger Moth Tales, a.k.a. Peter Jones.




Edited by Angelo - April 24 2015 at 08:29
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Originally posted by PRSO PRSO wrote:

Not here it's not.   I will soon be releasing a 2 CD set with the music of Genesis (both the Gabriel era and Early Collins era) backed by a full Symphony Orchestra.  Here are a couple of links on YouTube for Cinema Show & The Musical Box.
Cinema Show 
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Mark Emanuele - Music Director - The Progressive Rock Symphonic Orchestra

 
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Originally posted by PRSO PRSO wrote:

Not here it's not.   I will soon be releasing a 2 CD set with the music of Genesis (both the Gabriel era and Early Collins era) backed by a full Symphony Orchestra.  Here are a couple of links on YouTube for Cinema Show & The Musical Box.
Cinema Show 
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Mark Emanuele - Music Director - The Progressive Rock Symphonic Orchestra




Thats really good! Congratulations, pal!
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Not here it's not.   I will soon be releasing a 2 CD set with the music of Genesis (both the Gabriel era and Early Collins era) backed by a full Symphony Orchestra.  Here are a couple of links on YouTube for Cinema Show & The Musical Box.
Cinema Show 
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Mark Emanuele - Music Director - The Progressive Rock Symphonic Orchestra



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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

It's all ciclycal.

 
I'm pretty sure about this when we consider the stylistic fashion trends, if the cyclical thing really applies to music too then someday people will hear what is called the new avant-garde of the moment growing enough to become the popular music of the future, or many of the electronic instruments being abandoned in favour of the 'new' fever of the massive use 'old' acoustic instruments. Ok, there is the famous instruments emulation, but personally I don't give credit to this.
 
Maybe I'm wrong and the cycle 'wavelenght' is bigger than what I imagine, frankly I've not heard considerable changes in most of the popular music in the last decades, but when it comes to the media thing perhaps the Internet radio is the fashion nowadays, I don't know, just wonderings about a complicated issue, jmo.
 
 


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It's all ciclycal.

Every rational person thought Symphonic had died in 1980, but 1993 came and proved we all were wrong.

There are lots of Symphonic bands out there, the problem is that people is searching for something different, but things will change again.

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In the 1970s, symphonic prog concerts were real spectacles!  Yes had their Roger Dean stage sets, ELP had similarly ponderous stages, etc.  

The audiences were huge parties....people came to smoke pot and enjoy.  With all the smoking bans/fire codes, that stuff is ancient history.  

I've seen numerous neoprog symphonic shows since the olden days, and they rarely seem to have the same sense of drama and spectacle.  Dream Theater is one that seemed to come closest, are they symphonic or metal? 
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I'm thinking more like a prog Stevie Nicks.  Rock has had all sorts of women vocalists, some pretty amazing, but only a few capture lightning in a bottle.  Nicks was one of 'em.
Nicks, Ann Wilson, and Carly Simon. Okay, not Carly. LOL

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

If Lady Gaga reprised "The Lamb," I think it would be amazing!  She is a New Yorker after all, and a damn fine keyboardist/vocalist!  She also has Gabriel's sense of costume drama, in spades! 
 
That gal has a mean set of pipes! She knows how to butter her bread, but I wager she's no stranger to prog. Her good friend Lady Starlight, who was in her pre-fame band, doesn't hesitate to cite VdGG as one of her favorite bands in interviews. And they both like Rush (not the commentator).
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I feel that Sonja's actual vocal delivery doesn't live up to the promise of her as well as the band's image though she is certainly a fine singer. But that apart, is Curved Air really symph prog? If we widen the scope to all prog, then you have, apart from Annie Haslam, Kate Bush, Bjork, Diamanda Galas, etc. Flat out some of the most talented female singers rock has ever produced. So that's not the problem, irrespective of whether listeners are unable to look beyond Gabriel and Anderson. Symph prog has not produced great female singers to succeed Annie. Which is not really a surprise since it hasn't featured great singers in a long time post its 70s heyday.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

The original symphonic bands had tremendous personality!  Wakeman in his cape, Gabriel in his costumes, Emerson with his daggers etc.  

I don't think that the modern symphonic groups have that strength of personality.  Of course, there are some strong musicians, but I'm not sure that they draw the audiences like the originators did.  

Personally, if we had more women in prog, I think we'd draw more attention.  Annie Haslam was perhaps the greatest female vocalist in symphonic, and there have been a few others (Magenta, etc.), but why so few?  

Mind you, I'm not talking about a stage full of dancers!  
 
I'm not convinced by the argument based solely on Magenta , another band I love yet the presence of a very attractive female vocalist as made jack all difference to their popularity in my opinion. Seven is generally considered a great album and the often overlooked Metamorphosis is a fill blown symph prog album that deserves more attention.

I'm thinking more like a prog Stevie Nicks.  Rock has had all sorts of women vocalists, some pretty amazing, but only a few capture lightning in a bottle.  Nicks was one of 'em. 

If Lady Gaga reprised "The Lamb," I think it would be amazing!  She is a New Yorker after all, and a damn fine keyboardist/vocalist!  She also has Gabriel's sense of costume drama, in spades! 
 
Well funnily enough I happened to watch a 2 hour retrospective of Curved Air over the weekend. Sonja Kristina wow!! She had all that stage presence 'in spades' and could write a decent song and play acoustic guitar so was not just a vocalist. One might wonder though why they weren't more popular and better remembered. Noted rock journalist Jerry Ewing mused on this very fact.
 
I agree that Stevie Nicks is amazing btw!
 
Perhaps Natasha Khan ( Bat For Lashes) could take on the prog mantle? She is a big fan of Kate Bush and has released some very interesting music ( 3 solo albums to date). I keep dropping her name on here but generally get no 'takers' . Oh well.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

The original symphonic bands had tremendous personality!  Wakeman in his cape, Gabriel in his costumes, Emerson with his daggers etc.  

I don't think that the modern symphonic groups have that strength of personality.  Of course, there are some strong musicians, but I'm not sure that they draw the audiences like the originators did.  

Personally, if we had more women in prog, I think we'd draw more attention.  Annie Haslam was perhaps the greatest female vocalist in symphonic, and there have been a few others (Magenta, etc.), but why so few?  

Mind you, I'm not talking about a stage full of dancers!  
 
I'm not convinced by the argument based solely on Magenta , another band I love yet the presence of a very attractive female vocalist as made jack all difference to their popularity in my opinion. Seven is generally considered a great album and the often overlooked Metamorphosis is a fill blown symph prog album that deserves more attention.

I'm thinking more like a prog Stevie Nicks.  Rock has had all sorts of women vocalists, some pretty amazing, but only a few capture lightning in a bottle.  Nicks was one of 'em. 

If Lady Gaga reprised "The Lamb," I think it would be amazing!  She is a New Yorker after all, and a damn fine keyboardist/vocalist!  She also has Gabriel's sense of costume drama, in spades! 
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

About bloody time, next up neo.


How did i miss this work of art?


I'm kind of surprised you automatically thought I was serious. I didn't claim to be good at humor.

Who said i thought you were serious? It's my semi-serious agreeing with the thorny comment that is so brilliant. 

That's the art of it. Wink


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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

About bloody time, next up neo.


How did i miss this work of art?


I'm kind of surprised you automatically thought I was serious. I didn't claim to be good at humor.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

About bloody time, next up neo.

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After Crying, Echolyn, Glass Hammer, Tempano, Isildurs Bane, Big Big Train, Mr. Sirius, Minimum Vital, Anglagard, Thieves' Kitchen, Kant Freud Kafka, Asturias, Ciccada, Kotebel and Karfagen are good too. Not all of those are purely symphonic but I consider it to be the most prominent influence within all of them.

There is no style of music that still smells real fresh in 2015, but I think all of those bands are original enough.
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