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The Dark Elf
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Topic: Rap is bigger than The Beatles? A New Study Posted: May 07 2015 at 13:04 |
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The folks at the University of London, who obviously have too much grant money and time on their hands, have come up with a nifty "computerized" study that states the impact of Rap music outweighs the rock music of the British Invasion movement of the early 60s (ie., bands like The Beatles, The Who, The Stones, etc.). The article can be found here:
I read the article a few times and scratched my head. The gist of how the study was conducted is as follows:
Naturally, one of my first thoughts was what musical properties and instrumentation go into a rap song, as opposed to, say, The Beatles' "Eleanor Rigby", which features a classical string ensemble (an octet of strings)? It's valid because "Eleanor Rigby" was on the Billboard charts. Another thought would be that the researchers did not take into account the borrowed music samples that serve as the basis for many rap songs. Zeppelin's "Kashmir" was not a single when the album Physical Graffiti was released, but it is basically the entire rap song "Come With Me" with Puff Daddy (P Diddy-dum-diddy-doo) basically muttering guttural inanities over the repeating "Kashmir" sample. And a final thought regards the statement "The authors also rejected the assertion that today’s pop music is increasingly homogenized." To me, that assertion renders the study flawed beyond redemption, because it is a valid concern. Not to mention that they looked strictly at "Top 100" hits, which would eliminate hundreds of landmark albums from the process, as well as songs like "Stairway to Heaven", "Aqualung" and other important compositions that were never available as singles. What are your thoughts, other than beating the Brit researchers over the head with Flavor Flav's alarm clock? Edited by The Dark Elf - May 08 2015 at 08:06 |
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Horizons
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 13:13 | |
I did a study and concluded that this study is dumb.
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thebeastmustdie
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 13:16 | |
The study makes no sense from what they've explained in that link. There's no comparison data at all. What exactly do they mean by 'influence'?
anyone with a passing interest in pop music could've told you this already.
what do they mean by "more profound"? is there a link to the results of the actual test? All seems very vague to me...
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 13:21 | |
Oh, I am sure there is a link, but I've already wasted far too much time on the subject.
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thebeastmustdie
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 13:42 | |
fair enough.
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Imperial Zeppelin
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 14:04 | |
I don't believe in studies.
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Icarium
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 14:24 | |
I only will want to say Apache by the Shadows, and African-Bambata, thread, Hotel California thread, and Fela Kuti.
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dr wu23
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 14:30 | |
That works for me.
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dwill123
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 17:50 | |
Modern day rap =
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npjnpj
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Posted: May 08 2015 at 03:02 | |
Researchers say that a study is taken more seriously if it begins with "Researchers say".
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: May 08 2015 at 03:05 | |
That was actually a pretty funny read
Speaking personally here, but I do think I listen to more hip hop than I listen to The Beatles - that is without agreeing with this "study" though...ho ho.
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someone_else
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Posted: May 08 2015 at 03:26 | |
Just a laugh. I don't think that the impact of Crap will ever outweigh the influence of true scientific studies.
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CPicard
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Posted: May 08 2015 at 07:41 | |
I will read this study soon, but what already seems dubious in the premise of this study is that the researchers make a comparison between ONE band (the Beatles) and a whole musical movement (and one mustn't forget that rap music is also associated to the hip-hop culture, with dance, graffiti, fashion, etc...)
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Dean
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Posted: May 08 2015 at 08:00 | |
deja vu?
We've been here before. www.bris.ac.uk/news/2011/8116.html ... there reading the study itself gave a completely different story to the one reported in the popular press, so until I see the content of this study I'll read the reporting of its "conclusions" without comment.
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A Person
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Posted: May 08 2015 at 08:50 | |
Rap as a genre is obviously larger and more diverse than the musical output of a single band, but I am not sure how you can compare the influence of one or the other.
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NYSPORTSFAN
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Posted: May 09 2015 at 09:15 | |
I guess according to this study then Kraftwerk and Black Sabbath are not influential either. The facts are what this study is severely missing is without The Beatles led British Invasion would we have musical exchange between American and British rock/pop artists that was basically non-existent before them. Just think about that. Without The Beatles would we have The Byrds, The Grateful Dead etc... forming as rock bands and countless others? Would Brian have created Pet Sounds without Rubber Soul? The majority of American garage rock bands were influenced by The Rolling Stones and The Kinks. In turn they influenced the British bands. By the way The Beatles music was highly influential in influencing other British rock bands including King Crimson and Black Sabbath. Another thing many of The Beatles influential songs like "Tomorrow Never Knows", "A Day In The Life", "Helter Skelter" and "I Want You (She's So Heavy" were not pop hits as they were never released as singles. Edited by NYSPORTSFAN - May 09 2015 at 09:15 |
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Angelo
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Posted: May 09 2015 at 09:33 | |
From the publishers of the study 'Women have more penises than men'?
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Dean
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Posted: May 09 2015 at 12:12 | |
A common problem in Amsterdam so I hear.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: May 11 2015 at 01:38 | |
Doesn't strike me as that unlikely, even though it's probably very select demographics where it's true that hip-hop is more popular than The Beatles, a lot of people my age aren't that interested in guitar-based rock music or previous generations of pop.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: May 11 2015 at 02:00 | |
Has there been a preponderance of quality songwriting and traditional song-craft in the mainstream charts for the last
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