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condor 
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 09:23 |
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I'm having trouble picking one for myself. Probably Tales from Topographic Oceans.
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 09:35 |
hmmm
anything by Ruins, but worth the time investment
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 09:37 |
I think anything by Gentle Giant.
For years, I couldn't stand them; now I love them.
Still haven't "got" TFTO at all.
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 09:56 |
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Agreed with Tales from Yes.
I will add: -Incantations from Mike Oldfield
-Security from Peter Gabriel
-Everyone you hold and Usher from Peter Hammill
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 10:30 |
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Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica and Henry Cow - In Praise Of Learning. It took me a decade to 'get' Dagmar vocals.
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 10:33 |
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Igor Wakhevitch's Docteur Faust hands down. Mostly because it begaves completely unlike everything else I'd heard beforehand.
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 11:03 |
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Anything by Univers Zero. Although I immediately heard the influence from Stravinsky, it was at first a bit difficult for me to enjoy UZ as much. But I think it is worth the effort, if you like, like me, Stravinsky's Le Sacre du printemps, or Janacek's Mladi.
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 11:06 |
When not initiated to, Hot Rats from Zappa seems to me very difficult to get into; especially gumbo variations in fact. Okay, it's probably only my own experience, but as it took me several months to just tolerate the listening of that heavy 17-minute masterpiece...
Oh and P.S.: hello to everybody :D
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 11:22 |
this is interesting - i was looking at this thread to find some challenging recommendations, but i am struck by the fact that they vary so much in my estimation. Always good to see that opinions vary so much. For instance, I found Hot Rats (when i first heard it circa 1982) was immediately totally accessible, and i still think of it as a great Zappa 'starter' album. Likewise UZ - the music immediately spoke to me.
Tales remains hard to swallow for me, but I am not a giant Yes fan in general.
As much as I have tried with Dagmar - I am still not a true initiate!
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 11:57 |
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Kid A took a few listens, but is one of my favorites now, if not my favorite. I didn't really like Unknown Pleasures by Joy Division very much for a long time, but now I love it. Most everything in the prog realm was either immediate or took only a couple listens to get or I still don't get it.
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 12:22 |
Genesis took a while to appreciate-I initially found their cerebral style a bit inaccessible, but now can relate to Trespass and And Then There Were Three, which are my favorites. Same with Yes, and now can relate in a big way, but it wasn't easy at first.
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 12:56 |
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I think tales for me as well, although Relayer didn't take as long but i like it a lot more. Red queen is another one i tried getting into that very early on and ten minute instrumentals aren't easy to swallow when you're accustomed to 3 to 4 minute songs, I kept coming back to it because I really liked gryphon s/t.
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Posted: July 31 2015 at 17:48 |
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Surely "Unexpect's In a Flesh Aquarium" gave me a lot of headaches but in the end it was really rewarding, I can even sing all the crazy parts haha.
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Posted: August 01 2015 at 01:09 |
 Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica and Henry Cow - In Praise Of Learning. It took me a decade to 'get' Dagmar vocals. |
Me too. I 'got' Leg End and Unrest straightaway, but struggled with IPOL.
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Posted: August 01 2015 at 02:02 |
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As I said in the FB page, Voivod's work in general took me a long time to get into. I absolutely love them now and they're one of my favorite bands
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Posted: August 01 2015 at 03:02 |
Mëkanïk Dëstruktïẁ Kömmandöh - First Magma-album I tried and I would probably have had more luck with just about any other of their 70's titles. Took more than five years before I gave this ensemble a second chance. This time I started at the beginning with their debut/Kobaïa which was close to a lifechanging revelation of sorts. I had embraced 1001° Centigrades, Köhntarkösz, Üdü Ẁüdü, Attahk and a couple of live albums before I got back to MDK. I needed to understand the context of this bombastic mass before I could experience its cathartic qualities and notice all the underlying subtleties and transformations of the composition.
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Posted: August 01 2015 at 04:45 |
Gully Foyle wrote:
Always good to see that opinions vary so much. For instance, I found Hot Rats (when i first heard it circa 1982) was immediately totally accessible, and i still think of it as a great Zappa 'starter' album.
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Well actually I'd say that after being introduced to Zappa, Hot Rats would be also accessible for me. But I have to remember too how long it took for me to get into it, as i was never introduced to jazz fusion before. I'm again especially talking about gumbo variations here, but Captain Beefheart's intervention on Willie the Pimp makes the album quite surprising at least for non-introduced people imo.
It seems that all our answers depend exclusively on our proper experience, which leads to a huge variety of recommendations (which also makes this topic very interesting, and convinced me to subscribe  ); for example, I'd say VdGG's A plague for Lighthouse Keepers is easier to get into than Relayer!
But one thing's for sure - Tales' always be a very difficult album to get into for everyone :D Maybe the Ritual's 3-minute-long light bells' solo isn't that usual?? I've actually read one day an article on 73's "unaccessible masterpiece" trilogy: Tales, Brain Salad Surgery, and Tull's A Passion Play. Well I have to say I've quite rapidly get into Tales, as I was introduced to prog by Yes (unfortunately I'm not a member of prog generation), I've finally get into Karn Evil, and tried to but never really got into Passion Play. Btw, I'd say therefore A Passion Play is quite unaccessible too.
However, as the initial question was not really about the most unaccessible albums, but about the albums which necessites lots of listens to appreciate, I'd say according to my experience that Brain Salad Surgery is part of them too; Karn Evil required to myself to memorize each note of it to really appreciate it.
Edited by Antiochus - August 01 2015 at 04:48
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Posted: August 01 2015 at 05:48 |
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Funny, no mentions of electronic music yet. Maybe that's because most people never really get around to appreciate it?
Either way, I would think that an album like Phaedra would be quite difficult to get into if you're coming from a rock background. 'Where the feck are the drums and guitars!!??!?!?!!!!'
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Posted: August 01 2015 at 08:57 |
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I still cant hear electronic music.
I guess Henry Cow and Area were bands that I most have difficulties untill it became favourites.
A Passion Play is the most "classic" album I had to listen several times.
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Posted: August 01 2015 at 09:27 |
"What A Symphony" by Dutch symphonic band Coda, their second album. Debut "Sounds Of Passion" was easy to like. But the followup album: it took me 7 listens to appreciate it. These days I think it's a masterpiece.
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