4th Round Moderns: De-loused v. Unfolded |
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micky
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Topic: 4th Round Moderns: De-loused v. Unfolded Posted: August 29 2015 at 08:55 |
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Next up... a battle of two greats! In previous rounds we did song samples, great PA's reviews, with this
round I wanted to do something a different. So I went outside PA's..
what do people outside of this site say about these albums.
first up.. De-loused In the Comatorium byThe Mars Volta You don’t think of prog rock as cathartic. Prog noodles, prog brags, prog serves as the backdrop for stories about moonchildren and crimson kings and bloodthirsty sea life. Like any good fantasy, it engages a particular hunger for new worlds, but it’s rarely personal. For The Mars Volta, prog was both a vehicle for volatile musical fusion and a method of bloodletting. The band’s 2003 debut album, De-Loused in the Comatorium, grooves as hard as it grieves 10 years later. Formed by Omar RodrĂguez-López and Cedric Bixler-Zavala after At the Drive-In split, The Mars Volta still had other deaths to mourn. In 1996, their close friend Julio Venegas leapt from an overpass onto the freeway in rush hour traffic. Like many suicides, Venegas’ had simmered. He had been a victim of self-abuse, shooting up whatever he could get his hands on for years. “He was an extreme person. He lived every day getting himself into situations and always getting lost, so he had scars all over his body that let you know the places where he had been,” RodrĂguez told LA Weekly in 2003. He got parts of himself before he got the whole thing: “One time he just combined different chemicals together and shot them up, and it shriveled up his arm.” Venegas was an artist, and the surrealist scenes he would render served as inspiration for the hour-long epitaph The Mars Volta eventually composed for him. Bixler’s lyrics brimmed with nonsense, portmanteaus, and puns, turning off many critics and fans who followed the band from At the Drive-In fandom, but De-Loused remains a surprisingly visual album. It doesn’t make sense and yet it’s easy to see. It’s easy to follow Cerpin Taxt—Venegas’s fantasy alias—down into the recesses of his own imagination as he lies in a drug-induced coma. It’s easy to see him duel with the demons he’s carried around his whole life. It’s easy to see him wake up, slip out of the hospital, and nose-dive into hot asphalt. Like his scarred skin, De-Loused is a map of Venegas’s pain. Bixler grounds his lyrics just enough to let us move through them. Purple indulgences like “clipside of the pink-eye fountain” are tempered with desperate clarity: “Now I’m lost.” Even when he’s not making sense, he sells the language. The meaning of “exoskeletal junction at the railroad delay” isn’t in the words but the way he howls them in that perfect, tightly wound hook. De-Loused in the Comatorium is full of the sort of visual gibberish that brings to mind the writing of James Joyce or Lewis Carroll. Meaningless words glean meaning from context and flow, propelled by diverse rhythms, elastic bass, and RodrĂguez’s frenetic riffs. The album animated the imaginations of a particularly eclectic fanbase; I’ve known free jazz musicians and die-hard emo kids who have loved it with equal fervor. It combusts on both technical and emotional levels, each feeding the other. Like Alice in Wonderland, De-Loused plunges down into it’s hero’s subconscious, illuminating the space between waking life and death. The video for “Televators” proved how readily an imaginative illustrator could translate the world of the album to the screen. Many fans quickly followed suit, dotting the web with paintings, drawings, and collages set in Volta’s Comatorium. De-Loused isn’t hopeful. It’s not a way to imagine that Venegas is at peace or in a “better place”. But one way to understand the hell of someone you love is to dive in headfirst. By writing most of the album from Cerpin Taxt’s perspective, Bixler could follow his friend to the end. The album tackles drug abuse and suicide from a vantage of total sympathy. There’s no judgment and no justification for Venegas here—only a yearning to hide in his ripped-up skin until it’s gone. How else can you learn to forgive someone who leaves you that way? The Mars Volta started from a place that most bands never get to: a place of catharsis, redemption, and the overwhelming desire to create something beautiful from tragedy. De-Loused came to life for all kinds of listeners precisely because it wasn’t written for everybody. It was written for Julio. By illuminating his world, it ignited, in the minds of thousands, a world of its own. Is there a better way to eulogize an artist who’s passed than by making an album that inspires living artists to create? and in the far corner.. Unfolded Like Staircase by Discipline (great review HT!) When dealing with a band that only recorded two excellent albums, and one is considered a masterpiece, I feel it is necessary to stress the quality of the other. The best analogy I can make is “Unfolded Like Staircase” is to “Push and Profit” what “Close to the Edge” is to “The Yes Album.” In both circumstances the band followed an album that would have been the high point for other artists with a much grander artistic statement. Grandiosity is not absent on “Push and Profit,” but it is what defines “Unfolded Like Staircase.” All the stops were pulled out for an epic prog extravaganza. The album consists of four pieces totaling 55 minutes of playing time. These days that is not so unusual (nor was it in the ’70s), but this is from 1997. Most of the Neo bands in that era were including just one epic track. For that reason, and the style of the music, “Unfolded Like Staircase” (more than “Push and Profit”) shows that Discipline wasn’t really a Neo-prog band. In actuality they were part of the ’90s symphonic renaissance. A conglomeration of influences like classic Yes (four epic tracks), Genesis (the closing segment of “Canto IV”), big time Van Der Graaf Generator (you really should see how Matthew Parmenter’s eyes light up when Peter Hammill’s name is mentioned), and possibly a bit of Roine Stolt (listen to the middle part of “Into the Dream” and let me know if I am just imagining things) combined with the lessons learned in the ’80s allow the music to be original and true to its roots. Plus it doesn’t hurt that there is a tremendous amount of talent involved. This time out the band was down one member. Keyboard player David Kroftchok did not stick around for the second album. Instead of finding a replacement the bench was pulled out for Matthew Parmenter. David was good, but Mr. Parmenter’s abilities are also formidable (the only downside being that he was now tied to an instrument for all future live shows). The entire band shines throughout. Mathew Kennedy and Paul Dzendzel solidified their place in the upper echelon of rhythm sections. As Kennedy flies effortlessly through extremely complex bass lines, Dzendzel is always fascinates with his creative combinations. Jon Preston Bouda’s guitar may not instantly jump out at you, but if you pay attention to his emotion and sense of what is needed you will discover how impressive he is. What does jump out is Matthew Parmenter’s lyrics and the level at which he performs them. The man is dark theater incarnate. I think it speaks volumes that no one member of the band, other than the front man, really stands out. This is incredibly complex music and no one tries to grab the spotlight, nor does anything fall through the cracks. The same is true of Parmenter’s keyboard work. A single instrument may take the focus, but only if that is what the music calls for. This is what a band should be. As to the music itself, it is pure prog genius. The subject matter is pretty dark. The first piece cries the lament, “…but how can there possibly be no more room up there for me. Here I am in limbo.” “Into the Dream” offers the cheery sentiment, “…and if the world must fall, let it fall.” I am pretty happy and positive person, so you might wonder why I find this appealing. The answer is that it’s just that good. When art is this sincere and well crafted, any subject matter can be appreciated. Matthew Parmenter is a masterful poet and composer. Even if you removed the lyrics and the vocals (which is not recommended), the compositions and musicianship would blow you away. The pounding stutter of the opening to “Canto IV” sets the tone that you are in for something big. The theater and mood swings of “Crutches” are edge your seat captivating. “Into the Dream” is almost a “Supper’s Ready” for the next generation. If it were possible hold a reader’s attention for that long, I would break it all down. Even then I couldn’t do it justice. “Unfolded Like Staircase” is considered a classic by many prog fans, and for good reason. I am in agreement and not just because I am also from Michigan. Prog aside, this is rock music at its best. Give it a shot. You may want to start with “Push and Profit,” but that will lead you here. This album is Discipline’s masterwork to date. Living up to the legacy is going to be a difficult task for the reformed band on the new album. From what I have seen recently, they are up to the challenge. |
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LearsFool
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Posted: August 29 2015 at 11:31 | ||
Volta
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 29 2015 at 12:58 | ||
Unfolded, a modern masterpiece
Iván
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zravkapt
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Posted: August 29 2015 at 14:13 | ||
Easy vote for TMV.
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Magma America Great Make Again
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Olape
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Posted: August 29 2015 at 15:48 | ||
I like both a lot. Discipline, today.
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Horizons
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Posted: August 29 2015 at 16:38 | ||
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: August 29 2015 at 16:47 | ||
Discipline
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Ian
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sleeper
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Posted: August 29 2015 at 16:59 | ||
As much as I like Discipline, De Loused is a top level modern classic for me.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Nightfly
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Posted: August 29 2015 at 17:40 | ||
Discipline!
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Kazza3
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Posted: August 30 2015 at 00:37 | ||
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Svetonio
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Posted: August 30 2015 at 01:08 | ||
De-loused In the Comatorium
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The Bearded Bard
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Posted: August 30 2015 at 07:22 | ||
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micky
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Posted: August 30 2015 at 07:52 | ||
hmmm.. sitting on this one. Again if it had been the Shatter All Accord album this would have been a no brainer.. I merely like this album not love it and I think finally after all this time I am starting to 'get' TMV. Looking forward to more listens.. listens with that wonderful review in mind.
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micky
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Posted: August 30 2015 at 14:31 | ||
and the vote for the tie. TMV get the vote.. it has more upside. I've hit the wall for the Discipline album.. but I feel I still have several more degrees of enjoyment to wring out of this De-loused album
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Hercules
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Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:19 | ||
Discipline easily.
You'd have to nail my head to the speaker to get me to listen to another Mars Volta CD.
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digdug
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Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:24 | ||
Discipline for me
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Prog On!
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Man With Hat
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Posted: August 31 2015 at 21:54 | ||
ULS
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t d wombat
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Posted: August 31 2015 at 22:12 | ||
The Disclipline thing does absolutely nothing for while I've always found TMV to be at least a bit interesting. OK, so it doesn't send me off doing make me dance dance dance from here to Sunday but hey, it is good stuff. I confess there is other stuff from them that I've liked better than this but even so TMV it is.
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Prog Sothoth
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 11:49 | ||
TMV, even if there are parts of that album I wish were a bit shorter and the mix less brickwalled. Man that album has some great songs though.
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aglasshouse
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 13:05 | ||
Don't really like either.
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