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Would want to own the exact kind of books and movies that the so called govt of the proletariat dislikes...to rile them up and expose them for what they really are. I do that already. None of Salman Rushdie's books are available in India, but I still have Midnight's Children.
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Posted: October 15 2015 at 11:57 |
The OP appears not to understand the distinction between private property and personal property. Everything I currently own I would continue to own under communism.
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Posted: October 15 2015 at 13:35 |
Under communism they force you to own everything that you own.
It's horrible.
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Posted: October 15 2015 at 14:08 |
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The OP appears not to understand the distinction between private property and personal property. Everything I currently own I would continue to own under communism.
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What about the Queen? Would her personal property remain?
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Posted: October 15 2015 at 14:37 |
You know, we can talk about stuff all day (I know, that's the original question) but aren't we really talking about Communism vs Democracy? Isn't that the elephant in the room? I am a "flag, apple pie and Mom" American and always have been. I have never seen anything that a Communist/Socialist country has that I am interested in. This country is already dabbling in discreet Socialism far too much for me. It annoys me to no end that Bernie Sanders is doing so well in the polls. What the hell happened in the last fifty years? But...I digress.
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I wish we could all live in mud huts and play with each other's poop.
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Posted: October 15 2015 at 15:52 |
TeleStrat wrote:
You know, we can talk about stuff all day (I know, that's the original question) but aren't we really talking about Communism vs Democracy?Isn't that the elephant in the room? I am a "flag, apple pie and Mom" American and always have been. I have never seen anything that a Communist/Socialist country has that I am interested in. This country is already dabbling in discreet Socialism far too much for me. It annoys me to no end that Bernie Sanders is doing so well in the polls. What the hell happened in the last fifty years? But...I digress. |
Well, it would mostly be communism vs capitalism. The main grievance that a socialist/communist has with capitalism is that it necessitates the creation of classes. For example, one class that does a majority of the work, and a class that owns factories/corporations that get rich off their labor. I've read a little about Bookchin, an anarchist communist (anti-state and anti-capitalism, which is also a communist ideal) who uses the term hierarchy rather than class, to address all forms of power disparity (note: hierarchy probably has a different definition and is used in different ways by different people), be it the class structure or the state, sexism, racism, etc. Bernie Sanders is a social democrat, and wants to further structure the government like a Nordic "welfare state," where the government plays a more significant role in taking care of the well-being of its people, they have higher taxes that are used to fund free education, healthcare, etc. They also seem more supportive of egalitarian ideals, for example I've heard Sweden described as being very feminist. It's still capitalist in nature, and all those countries are as capitalist (some even more so) as the US. I think Sanders has at least proposed legislation to help people create more co-ops (worker-owned businesses), which I think is his most socialist stance. At least, that is my understanding.
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TeleStrat
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Posted: October 15 2015 at 17:18 |
^ I know what you're saying and I know a lot of people feel that way, not the majority, but a lot. I feel differently in several ways because I am satisfied with the system, or used to be before people started changing things (a little at a time) for everyone's own good.
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Posted: October 16 2015 at 02:09 |
condor wrote:
Dean wrote:
The OP appears not to understand the distinction between private property and personal property. Everything I currently own I would continue to own under communism.
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In principle it would remain but the when a system is overthrown (which is the only way this country will ever go communist) the victors tend to have a nasty habit of making an example of the previous incumbent, either by exiling them to some foreign soil (I'd suggest the Isle of Wight) or by ending their mystery by placing a small piece of lead into their left ears (administered by way of their right ears) so all of their personal proper tea would revert back to the state. Since we are a civilised country that doesn't exile or execute its deposed heads of state (well, not for a while now anyway) they are unlikely to suffer the same fate as the Romanovs, so I imagine that after abolishing the monarchy the new ruling elite comrades would evict her and her tribe from all state owned proper tea:
Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle, Holyroodhouse, Hillsborough Castle, Clarence House, Kensington Palace, The Royal Lodge, St James' Palace, Bagshot Park, Barnwell Manor, Wren House and Thatched House Lodge.
[of course this is assuming that the whole of the UK becomes communist so her residences in Scotland and Northern Ireland are also included, but for example if Scotland remains a democratic monarchy then she'd keep Holyroodhoose. Of course a communist UK would devolve England, Cornwall, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland while retaining them as part of the Union of British Socialist Republics and each of them would have to resolve the problem of the House of Windsor separately]
But they would be permitted to keep their privately owned property (as life-tenants):
Sandringham House, Balmoral Castle, Graigowen Castle, Delnadamph Castle, Anmer Hall and Gatcombe Park and all the property owned by the Duchy of Cornwall
...maybe (see below).
The new communist dictatorship polit bureau would also strip her of the Sovereign Grant [the money the state pays her to be in Public Office]. However that is not all of the Queen's income, the Privy Purse is her private income and that becomes more problematic since some of that is earnt through landownership, which is of course private business property that would be nationalised, but in principle she would become a tenant of that property and thus, under communism, entitled to earn a living from it. The part of that land she rents out to others would no longer be a part of her estate as sub-letting would not be permitted. So in theory she would keep most, but not all, of the Privy Purse. The issue then is whether the state deems the land that remains on her lease to be more than she needs and decides to redistribute some of that land to others, but even under communism family dependants get first dibs, and she has rather a lot of them. [Bearing in mind that she would have to be re-accommodated all the member of the royal families evicted from state-owned residences in the remaining privately owned royal residences so none of those would be vacant property and they would even have to share some of the dwellings [as they do now with Windsor and Kensington])
Under communism her private residences that do not provide her with an income (e.g. Sandringham House) could be considered to be her personal property, not her private property, so in principle she would be permitted to keep ownership of them (rather than rent them from the state) - but the second she chooses to rent out rooms or open them to the paying public they too would be nationalised. Also, in the USSR people were permitted to have more than one home (they could have holiday or summer residences called dachas) so in theory she could keep Sandringham and Balmoral.
However, when it comes to deciding what is personal property and what were gifts to the country that she accepted on our behalf it gets more problematic and that will become something of a messy divorce (which is fine by me as long as she gets custody of her brattish offspring and their equally brattish offspring). The new overlords peoples' committee may simply choose to confiscate all her private and personal property, but since the monarchy isn't universally hated and reviled that could backfire on them and cause public unrest, bringing the revolution to a swift end. [Contrary to popular belief, communism isn't about the redistribution of wealth - that's a fallacy and a nonsense, the disparity in earnings in the USSR was greater than in the USA and if you look at the wealth gap in the Russian Federation now it is far greater than in the USA as a result of that, as Gustavo pointed out - communism is about the redistribution of the means of production, not possessions and wealth.]
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However... This isn't fin de sičcle Russia, we aren't peasants and this is a democratic monarchy, so I suspect that if the UK turned communist it would not become a republic and so would retain the monarch in the same way that it did when it went from being a monarchy to a democracy. The Queen would become an apolitical equivalent to a President ... i.e. Queen in name alone and purely as a figurehead and tourist attraction, just as she is now. They'd probably make her quit the Bilderberg Group though.
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Posted: October 16 2015 at 03:23 |
TeleStrat wrote:
You know, we can talk about stuff all day (I know, that's the original question) but aren't we really talking about Communism vs Democracy?Isn't that the elephant in the room? I am a "flag, apple pie and Mom" American and always have been. I have never seen anything that a Communist/Socialist country has that I am interested in. This country is already dabbling in discreet Socialism far too much for me. It annoys me to no end that Bernie Sanders is doing so well in the polls. What the hell happened in the last fifty years? But...I digress. |
Not really, I think the topic is closer to Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism since all three are basically Democracies (government by the people [democratic] for the people [social]). Communism, Capitalism and Socialism are economic ideologies whereas Democracy, Republicanism and Monarchism are political ideologies - politicians love to confuse the public by failing to differentiate between economic and political ideologies.
A republic is a democracy, and by that it is essentially socialist by default, you've been dabbling in socialism since you chucked out George III.
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Posted: October 16 2015 at 05:44 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
There will be civil war before there is fullblown communism in the west, and the limp-wristed leftists who larp about that kind of thing would be the first ones up against the wall - "from each according to their ability" still requires you to actually have ability. |
I don't know if there will be civil war, but
(...) it's undeniable that
the age of self-evidence of capitalism is coming to an end. In
the second half of the 70s of the 20th century, when the 'developed'
world ended an era of rapid and stable economic growth, began to attack
the forces of capital on labor rights, which lasts to this day.
The
basis for the justification of capitalism began to decline, so the
apologists of capital are increasingly forced to justify that the
existence of capitalism is the mere fact of its existence. Using
the fact that capitalism, as opposed to real socialism, not
crashed, though it often had to bail out of the fascist gangs and the
military junta, they defend the thesis that there is simply no
alternative and that in the name of further capital accumulation must be
ready for any sacrifice: growing inequality, poverty of most of the world's population and desolation of nature.
Attempts
to resolve the current crisis confirms that, under capitalism, the
economy is not a means to increase the quality of life, but human life
is a means to spread the accumulation of capital. The
crisis is no exception in the operation of capital, not a hindrance to
self-regulation of the market and not the result of a rapid growth in
numbers of lazy, corrupt and generally uncompetitive individuals, but is
a means with which the capitalist economy achieves its dominance over
society and nature. We're
not dealing with the economic crisis, but the period that the normal
functioning of capitalism demands - that in the name of preserving
profits, rid of the last remnants of the burdens of democratic
supervision, workers' rights and public services. Political "elites" do not discuss how to harness the economy in order to
achieve the fullest development of each individual and to meet
social needs, but speculate how more victims require those forces that we can
not control nor understand.
But,
those mystic forces that live in financial and other markets do not draw
their power from nothing else but from the human work in the context of a
specific regulation of social production. Because
of this arrangement that individuals alienates to one another and
of the products of their work, these products become independent and
stand against us as others, incomprehensible and uncontrollable forces
that intimidates time in the form of financial derivatives, sometimes in
the form of the interest rates on government bonds. The
development of science and education today offers technological
possibilities for the eradication of poverty, reduction of working hours
and sustainable development, but it will all remain a bare possibility
if the social power to be exhausted in a competitive war and remained
subordinated to the dictates of blind profit increase. It
is time to chart a different path of development in which the
democratic governance of the economy to be a means to achieve social
objectives rather than vice versa, and which will be the guiding
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Slovenian Marxist Slavoj Zizek:
"The reality of global capitalism is that any violation of the rules"
My ironic remark would be that the voters really have a choice, then it is usually seen as a crisis of democracy.
For example, Greek voters at least have some kind of choice in voting for or against SYRIZA. So all in Brussels were in a panic.
In Europe, comments along these lines are more and more open. I
think I'm somewhere cited a comment in the Financial Times, where a
character says something like "the biggest problems of Europe are the
voters." As they do not understand the necessity of certain decisions, and so on. If this is true, it means that democracy is, so to speak, died? This means that we have basically returned to the pre-democratic times, in the sense that the majority can not be trusted.
We truly live in an era of ideology of neoliberalism, and this is a myth. The role of the state apparatus, state intervention in the global economy - they are becoming more and more important. I saw a report on the state of Mali, a poor country in Central Africa. They like their main export item produce the best quality cotton and the price is certainly low. They can not break through on the world market - why? Because the United States, in subsidizing their cotton producers,
spend more money annually than the entire state budget of Mali.
I
read a great interview on the website of CNN, a few years ago, the
Minister of Finance of Mali, who said: "Please, do not need any
socialiastic help. Give to our cotton an opportunity. Do not extend your
support so much to your farmers that is not fair, and Mali's
economic is gonna to be preserved. And it was incredible, how the U.S. Ambassador in
Mali responded to this. She said, "It is not so simple, there is also
corruption in Mali, blah, blah, blah." Ambassador, this is sh*t! |
| For the theoreticians of human capital, the study of systems of education has become an important primarily because they are channels of capital investment through the acquired human capital. Economist Milton Friedman (Friedman) wrote in 1952 in his essay "The Role of Government in Education", the investment of human capital is "a form of investment in human capital is exactly analogous to the investment in machinery, buildings or other forms of non-human capital" (Friedman, 2002: 94). Friedman argues that the lack of opportunities for investment in human capital in its time was the expression of an inherent "lack" in the capital market. By linking this with investments in government education, it also asserts that "what we want is not a redistribution of income already making capital available in comparable terms of human and physical investment" (Friedman, 2002: 99). In fact, he writes that any "redistribution of income" in the form of financing by the taxpayer for more education was "perverse" (Friedman, 2002: 99). It is important to emphasize that the production of theory on human capital have a real impact. Friedman's essay on education had deeply affected the right-oriented education policy. His theorizing the role of education in the accumulation of human capital, illustrates that while human capital is initially introduced to measure the value of acquired skills, this is only a step towards the creation of the current market for trafficking in human capital. In other words, Friedman is not only interested in measuring human capital but also to, more importantly, investment in human capital. Friedman's theory transforms education into a vehicle for these investments, an area where new channels that facilitate the flow of money that will be opened in order to "create capital available for investment in human beings in terms that are comparable to those in which it is possible for physical investment" . Friedman's theory understands education as a central industry through which generated new markets for investment of human capital that will be developed. Although I do not intend to track down the genealogy of distribution technology of human capital in higher education in the past half-century, I would like to point out the specific example of the way in which human capital is beginning to be used in the financing of higher education. One of the areas in which the expansion of the market of human capital most disturbing in that it already takes the place of the area of financing a college education. These mechanisms of financial speculation are called Contracts of human capital, and they facilitate the funding of students' education by private investors as an investment in fixed capital. Calling is still growing "equity", the return that an investor receives comes from a predetermined percentage of earnings student during a large part of his working life. [8] Markets human capital already available in many countries and prototypical forms of these investments often carry eufemizirajuće names like "loan contingent income [9]. " However: '' It is important to emphasize that the Treaty of human capital is not a loan, although it could be to dress as such. This is a legal contract because it marks a different kind of property not long, but the part of the actual "human capital", knowledge and skills acquired through education, which has a student '' (Adamson, 2009: 103-4) Direct investment in human capital, (students), investor also has legal rights over capital acquired through student participation in higher education, which is then embodied in the worker. As previously stated, the human capital people in no way can not be separated from its physical being. Thus, human capital contracts amounts, by all accounts, the form of the agreed services. In contrast to claims that global capitalism has reached a fully formed knowledge-based economy, it seems that the technology for measurement, investment and ultimately controlling human capital is still in its infancy. The process of inclusion of "acquired useful skills" of the population in the capital is a complex process that is not even close to completion as indicated by the fact that the market of trafficking in human capital is just beginning to develop. In his recent, Investing in human capital, Miguel Palacios Lleras (Miguel Palacios Lleras) treats the creation of a global market for trade of human capital investment as a long-term goal of current trends in education policy: '' The global market, where you can trade the value of human capital, in various forms, either directly or through derivative securities, is the final moment of development that can enable the flow of capital to wherever it opens an opportunity to deliver value by investing in education. That should be the goal of policy makers around the world. More than fifty years after Friedman proposed the idea [to invest in human capital], the challenge now is not whether the entrepreneurs and politicians willing to use available technology and financial innovations that have taken the place during this period to serve those who want to invest in education. '' (Palcios Lleras, 2004: 162) In this passage Lleras illustrates something that I believe is not adequately approached in recent discussions about "cognitive" capitalism or "knowledge" and its relation to education. [10] As he claims, are not only products of intellectual labor that which can be traded; before these are private rights to real "acquired useful skills" populations that constitute commodity markets human capital. Markets human capital that arise are symptomatic of a tendency towards a form of exploitation of human life that are both innovative and outdated, and that they develop long-term forms of exploitation through new financial technologies. At the center of discussions on new methods "release value" of human life, education and technology financial capitalism that are set for greater control of the same life, are becoming increasingly important in contemporary critique. From that perspective, I would like to propose an answer to the critical question set by Federici and Kafenciz during a recent presentation about the centrality of "cognitive capitalism": '' Again, why are we at the height of the era of "cognitive capitalism" witnessed expansion with slave labor conditions, the lowest level of technological knowledge [...]? Can we say that the workers in these terms "cognitive workers"? Are they and their struggles irrelevant to and / or outside the capitalist accumulation? Why wage labor, which was once considered a defining form of capitalist work, has not been extended to the majority of workers in a capitalist society? '' (Federici and Caffentzis, 2007: 73-4) These issues are well formulated and provide an important challenge to current claims centrality of education and educational institutions in the contemporary struggle against capital. Federici and Kafenciz wonder how links can be established between fighting for education and other forms of struggle in a way that does not put the priority of one form of labor or product over another. In its response to the essay Federici and Kafenciza, Massimo de Angelis goes a step further, arguing that "'cognitive work' idealized common [11] because it is neither common nor the hierarchy aspires to be" (De Angelis, 2007: 74). While I tend to agree with these statements, I think it can still be important to establish connections among the items that are found between the fields of education and the fight for other forms of exploitation - and paid and unpaid. Moreover, we have seen the connection between these struggles because financial capitalism works expropriation of surplus value does not rely only on the relation of earnings. The close links between finance, mechanisms of primitive accumulation and the different forms of expropriation and services are evident among many sectors of today's global economy - including, but not reducing it to, education. The division between paid and unpaid, skilled and unskilled labor, I believe, should not be withdrawn when it stresses the importance of fighting for education. I tried that in the debate on human capital to illustrate what is at stake is not just a struggle for cognitive performance and its products, but also reconfiguration of human life caused by the new technologies of financial exploitation. In fact, if the global trade in human capital to realize the way in which it stated Lleras and others, expropriation value of education in the form of human capital can begin to exist almost entirely outside the relation fee. Federici and Kafenciz well say when caution against the definitions of contemporary moment that reproduces the hierarchy within the global fight work. However, we should also recognize that structurally similar mechanisms of what David Harvey calls "accumulation by deprivation", ie. Techniques primitive accumulation wielded by the financial capitalism, was also with the increase seen in the radical neo-liberal restructuring of many sectors of the economy. Financialisation of the education sector must be understood within the context of a general revaluation of human life, which is to speed up inflating the financial sector over the past few decades. What I call "strategy of human capital", ie. The sum of the technologies developed for investment in human life, which is understood as a "machine art" is an expression of some of the most innovative tendencies of financial capitalism. |
Morgan Adamson
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Posted: October 16 2015 at 06:07 |
Svetonio wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
There will be civil war before there is fullblown communism in the west, and the limp-wristed leftists who larp about that kind of thing would be the first ones up against the wall - "from each according to their ability" still requires you to actually have ability.
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I don't know if there will be civil war, but it's undeniable that
the age of self-evidence of capitalism is coming to an end. In
the second half of the 70s of the 20th century, when the 'developed'
world ended an era of rapid and stable economic growth, began to attack
the forces of capital on labor rights, which lasts to this day... ::snip::... It
is time to chart a different path of development in which the
democratic governance of the economy to be a means to achieve social
objectives rather than vice versa, and which will be the guiding
principle of solidarity and not competitiveness.
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Posted: October 16 2015 at 07:27 |
Better  ... in that now properly attributed I can chose to ignore those "quotations" at will since their original authors are not here to discuss the content nor defend themselves. Whether you believe what they say is 'a truth' is also somewhat irrelevant since they are not your words or thoughts, they're merely the regurgitation of someone else's opinion so can in no way be taken as fact.
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Svetonio
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Posted: October 16 2015 at 07:42 |
(...) The game in Europe is now changed in a decisive way. Finally it is clear that Europe is not in a crisis, but a clash between two views of the future.
On one hand, generalized racing, low wages, extension of working life-time, the degradation of the public spending. On the other hand the full utilization of the potential of knowledge and technology, reduction in life-work time, massive investment in research and education, citizenship guaranteed salary.
The problem is that superheroes can not win alone. The oligarchy will perform the same time, no doubt about it. They'll use blackmail and violence if it is necessary. Therefore, we need to provoke an uprising of those who remained autonomous and intelligent in European society. In Spain, Podemos has dimensions and mind to do it, but not enough Spain. It should be avoided consolidate the impression that there is a division between the poor, disobedient (because the residual) and those of modern, successful (because they are responsible). That impression is wrong, weakening the society and strengthens the power of government ordoliberalističke.
It would be essential that the Italian, French and (primarily) German precariat wake up from lethargy. The point is not to seek delay in the payment of the debt-loop, the point in breaking point reform plan finasističke oppose reform plan of social reform.
To start a process of this type is certainly a task bigger than us. But who are we? I do not know, just do not know who I'm talking even that would be subject to the appeal. It is the one subject that escapes, which is movable means, precarious. I go to the circumstances that create new configurations in social subjectivity of Europe: these circumstances the war.
Two war fronts to tighten Europe as forceps are not intended to be dying. Inter-fascist war that glows in Ukraine will worsen with deteriorating living conditions of the Russian and Ukrainian population. Western adventure has sparked a war that will not stop and it does not pick up, and may not share the European Union in two. Western adventure that is strangling the Russian economy incites Putin's fascism to arm.
War front that extends from Kabul to Tripoli (which is not one front but a thick cluster of micro-fronts that are combined) will not be quiet until the generation, which was ten years old when he saw on television pictures from the prison of Abou Ghraib, capable a sacrificial body murderer-suicide, and all the while in London as well as in Cairo periphery full of young unemployed who are willing to work for $ 400. And that means in the next twenty years.
The problem is that the "Islamist monster" branched in European cities.
4. International of precarity
At some point, in 2011, there was a possibility to create a single movement precarious generation in London, Athens, Cairo and Moscow. Now that we need. International which will bring together the cultural struggle against Islamic fundamentalism with the fight against liberal fundamentalism. Precarious International, which is able to build a network of knowledge against financial capitalism (Knowledge against financial capitalism, KAFCA for those who love acronyms like me who might suffer from acute "acronysm"). International precarious able to overturn the general opinion of Europe to defend its economistic prejudice and continue sinking into depression and paranoia. International precarious that would be able to put his finger in the senseless paradox that extends working time when technological progress reduces the necessary hours.
Is it possible that we are able to create such a necessary thing as precarious International? If we are unable to deserve what is about to happen to us. |
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Posted: October 16 2015 at 07:48 |
| I'd like just to inform the readers of this thread that I ALWAYS ignore what Dean is posting here since long time ago, actually since he started to insult me at this forums, for example here. I'm just avoid to chat with such characters. p.s. Dean knows it very well, but I'm always being quoted by him, because he wants to use my non-answer and silence that he tries to create an illusion that his tragicomic "arguments" (adressed to me) are compelling; he adressed so many post to me (although he knows that will be no reply from my side) at so many threads just in favor that you think that I'm flattered by his posts. |
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Communism is just a different set of leaders for the dictatorial ruling class.
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Svetonio wrote:
| I'd like just to inform the readers of this thread that I ALWAYS ignore what Dean is posting here since long time ago, actually since he started to insult me at this forums, for example here. I'm just avoid to chat with such characters. p.s. Dean knows it very well, but I'm always being quoted by him, because he wants to use my non-answer and silence that he tries to create an illusion that his tragicomic "arguments" (adressed to me) are compelling; he adressed so many post to me (although he knows that will be no reply from my side) at so many threads just in favor that you think that I'm flattered by his posts. |
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I don't know a lot about Dean, we may not agree on a lot of things, BUT ... have you ever considered actually learning something from him?
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Better ... in that now properly attributed I can chose to ignore those "quotations" at will since their original authors are not here to discuss the content nor defend themselves. Whether you believe what they say is 'a truth' is also somewhat irrelevant since they are not your words or thoughts, they're merely the regurgitation of someone else's opinion so can in no way be taken as fact. |
It means, Svetonio, that just because someone says something, that doesn't mean that it's true. If you really have the ability to analyze what another person has said, look for some flaws, any building blocks for your counter-argument, question what is said, and weigh all the pros and cons, then use that ability instead of just repeating what another person says. This is known as critical thinking. You are arguing with Dean; why don't you argue with your political mentors?
Moreover, it is unbecoming on this forum to throw your tantrum.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - October 16 2015 at 08:05
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Svetonio
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Posted: October 16 2015 at 08:07 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
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That's ok. I ALWAYS do prefer to read what a sincere right-winger had to say than to read bulls*t written by some false s ocialist.
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^ Tantrum.
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Svetonio
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Posted: October 16 2015 at 08:17 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
(...)Moreover, it is unbecoming on this forum to throw your tantrum.(...)
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I didn't break any forum's rule if I ignore what that character write to me and / or about me. At least, he doing so because of his fans at this forum as he needs that continuous applause, not because of me. If not Svetonio, that character will find some another victim to terrorize at these forums due to his need for applause. However, if you think that I did break some of the forum's rules, please report that post to the Admins.
Edited by Svetonio - October 16 2015 at 08:21
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