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Topic: The Greatest Composer in European Classical Music Posted: December 23 2015 at 03:16
Many would argue that these towering geniuses are the greatest composers in European classical music. However, which one do you think is the best. For me it is very close (between Bach and Beethoven) - but I have gone for Bach.
I once saw a documentary that said Bach's music transcended social, cultural and geographical boundaries and touched people's souls in such a universal way, it was like a musical expression of God.
The composer Brahms once said that if you were interested in music then you should study Bach because there you will find everything.
Mozart said of Bach he was the only composer that Mozart could continue to learn from.
There is a sense that Bach, through his huge output, explored almost every musical possibility and that his music transcends the confines of the late 17th and 18th century baroque tradition, with which he is associated.
Of course, similar arguments could be put forward for Mozart and the Classical tradition, and Beethoven and the Romantic tradition.
When you vote in the poll, I would really appreciate it if you could elaborate on your thoughts by writing a few comments also.
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Posted: December 27 2015 at 19:06
I would also say Bach. Just been listening to his Christmas Oratorio (the John Eliot Gardiner version on Archiv). The goosebumps still haven't gone down. Just sublime!
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Posted: December 28 2015 at 07:58
From the list, Beethoven. His true ushering in of the Romantic movement in music was earth-shattering, and continues to be so.
I believe, though, that the truly greatest composer is Bruckner. He is the real inheritor of Beethoven's symphonic mantle, and his music is monumental, noble and other-worldly that puts it at the top for me.
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Posted: December 28 2015 at 19:05
Your signature is an inspiration. Shostakovich definitely deserves to be in this parade of musical geniuses. However, I would probaby substitute Bruckner with Mahler - though many would disagree.
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Posted: December 28 2015 at 19:26
Bach of these. These are certainly three of the biggest talents in European classical music, but I wouldn't say they are favorites of mine. I like Shostakovich, Takemitsu, Stravinsky, and Brahms better in the orchestral department; Chopin, Satie, Debussy, Ravel better in the solo piano department; Messiaen and Reich better in the chamber piece department; Berg better in the opera department; Part and Gesualdo better in the choral department.
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Posted: January 05 2016 at 08:37
Although it's a real close race between Bach and Beethoven, I would have to agree with Geneyes. Since you mentioned John Eliot Gardiner, there's an older recording on the Archiv label of Beethoven's Requiem. I believe the orchestra is the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment. Although I'm not universally a fan of historical instrument performances, this performance is goosebump - inducing and sublime!
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Posted: February 17 2016 at 06:57
Bach, Bach and Bach. Not that I dislike the others, but Bach is simply sublime.
I am always on the lookout for female composers, by the way. The best known is probably Clara Schumann, but my favourite is probably Barbara Strozzi followed by Ethel Smyth.
Here some examples of music by female composers:
There are many many more female composers in history (hundreds). Most of them, however, had none of their music recorded so far.
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Posted: February 17 2016 at 11:19
I voted for Bach. The Brandenburg Concertos were an important part of my introduction to classical music (I'm using the term broadly here, to encompass the Baroque, Classical and Romantic periods). His Partita for Violin No. 2 is one of my favorite pieces of music. He was a master on the violin, harpsichord and organ. He wrote the book on classical keyboard playing, The Well-Tempered Clavier.
I respect Mozart's talent and there is no question he was a musical prodigy. However, I often find him too playful in his compositional style. There's nothing inherently wrong with lightheartedness, but I think the title of greatest composer should be reserved for a more challenging composer.
Beethoven was a genius and it's easy to see why compositions of his such as the Third and Ninth Symphonies, the Moonlight Sonata, Fur Elise, the Waldstein sonata, and the Pathétique sonata have become some of the most popular pieces of the classical repertoire. I have tremendous respect for his musical accomplishments he achieved in spite of his loss of hearing.
What tips the balance in favor of Bach for me personally are the following: he lived at an earlier time and influenced Beethoven, the sheer size of his quality musical output, his versatility (suites, chorales, works for solo organ, violin, harpsichord, cello), his mastery of the difficult art of counterpoint, and the fact he was not widely-known in his lifetime and was vindicated by history. Finally, I have a slight preference for Baroque over Classical music.
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