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TheBean13 
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Posted: January 31 2016 at 16:13 |
Just wondering what everyone thinks of heavily replaced drums on modern (mainly metal) albums?
From an engineering standpoint, I can understand that you don't always get the most consistent performance from some drummers. But I still think it's worth it to strive to go as organic as possible.
Anybody have any first hand experiences with replacing/organic drum tracks?
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Posted: January 31 2016 at 17:05 |
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I've not done it myself but I know other Producer/Engineers that do. Most attach triggers to the drum heads and record them along with the acoustic kit so they can fiddle with and mix in the electronic drums to strengthen the main kit in post. If they were going to 'replace' drums they may as well just record electronic drums straight to the tracks and then they have total freedom to edit, replace or select sounds for every part played.
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 31 2016 at 18:21 |
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I wonder if anyone actually records the performance of a cut anymore.
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Posted: January 31 2016 at 18:43 |
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I wonder if anyone actually records the performance of a cut anymore.
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Are you talking about live tracking? Because, yeah, people still do that.
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Posted: January 31 2016 at 18:48 |
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No I mean when someone records a vocal or instrument part form start to finish without cutting-in anything afterward and, assuming it sounds right, keeps that take. A real performance.
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Posted: January 31 2016 at 23:47 |
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Here I go again : Tomas Haake (Meshuggah) created his computer triggered 'drumkit from Hell' from his own playing for the Catch 33 album. It sounds like his 'regular' playing ; if you didn't know, you couldn't tell. Today's technology is amazing. And this is but 1 example.
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Polymorphia
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Posted: January 31 2016 at 23:59 |
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No I mean when someone records a vocal or instrument part form start to finish without cutting-in anything afterward and, assuming it sounds right, keeps that take. A real performance.
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Well, yeah. First of all, almost all jazz is a single performance. But, even in other genres, particularly if the performance is recorded analog. And when live-tracking anything as well. I mean, cutting and punching in are conveniences, but not everyone uses it all the time. Just depends on who you are and what your preference is.
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Posted: February 01 2016 at 00:02 |
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And on the actual topic, I don't mind it with bass drum or with the acoustic kit mixed in, but most triggered drum kits I've heard I'm not really crazy about. That said, it could have something to do with the sounds being used, and the amount of compression some engineers pile on.
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Posted: February 01 2016 at 00:27 |
Polymorphia wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
No I mean when someone records a vocal or instrument part form start to finish without cutting-in anything afterward and, assuming it sounds right, keeps that take. A real performance. |
I mean, cutting and punching in are conveniences, but not everyone uses it all the time. Just depends on who you are and what your preference is.
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Good point, though I imagine it could become tempting, even addictive to start correcting one or two small things in otherwise clean takes.
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Posted: February 01 2016 at 11:39 |
Atavachron wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
No I mean when someone records a vocal or instrument part form start to finish without cutting-in anything afterward and, assuming it sounds right, keeps that take. A real performance. |
I mean, cutting and punching in are conveniences, but not everyone uses it all the time. Just depends on who you are and what your preference is.
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Good point, though I imagine it could become tempting, even addictive to start correcting one or two small things in otherwise clean takes.
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I'd not call it addictive, but it can definitely be a crutch for some. I don't tend to do much editing except in demos to be heard by myself or bandmates, mainly for structure. I might delete parts or repeat parts, etc. just to get a more cohesive songform. I do punch in, but I mostly prefer to keep it all in one take, particularly because managing all the takes can be a hassle and I'm not very organized.
Edited by Polymorphia - February 01 2016 at 12:19
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TheBean13
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Posted: February 01 2016 at 23:12 |
Atavachron wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
No I mean when someone records a vocal or instrument part form start to finish without cutting-in anything afterward and, assuming it sounds right, keeps that take. A real performance. |
I mean, cutting and punching in are conveniences, but not everyone uses it all the time. Just depends on who you are and what your preference is.
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Good point, though I imagine it could become tempting, even addictive to start correcting one or two small things in otherwise clean takes.
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I always try to keep the edits and punch-ins to a minimum. I've definitely had recording sessions where I haven't been as prepared, and thus had to do many more cuts(i've since learnt, preparation is key to efficient sessions) I always find organic is better(also on the topic of heavily replaced drums vs natural; to me, it just sounds more dynamic) Even if a majority of listeners can't tell when there's been an edit, it just feels so much better knowing the track has little to no edits and punch ins. 
It definitely can be addicting to go for 'clinical perfection.' Suppose it comes down to the style of production. Over-polishing vs A little more raw.
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