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    Posted: April 12 2016 at 04:36
For these last years, after having listened a certain amount of music of different types, I've been wondering:

             Is the end of the emergence of new musical genres?

Concerning for example occidental popular music since the 50's, we can (very) roughly establish the following sequences:

=>    = gave birth to, by evolution
=/=> = gave birth to, by opposition


Jazz / Blues + Country =>  Rock'n'roll => Pop =/=> Progressive rock =/=> Punk rock => Heavy metal =/=> Grunge
Heavy metal => trash metal => black/death/... metal
Electro acoustic + indian raga => minimalistic => electro prog, ambient => techno, trance, IDM...

Etc... (sorry for the shortcuts if they're inexact, they're only used to illustrate my point)

As a teenager during the 90's, we saw the explosion of techno, grunge and rap. It was refreshing and exciting at the time. We rejected the former decade's musical genres such as new wave or "traditionnal" heavy metal. Each generation rejected the music from the previous generation.

For several years now (I would say circa 2005), I did not hear any new significant musical type, at least concerning occidental music. There are also no more "clans" or genuine generation oppositions. Here are my impressions:
- Pressured by the dominant musical industries, young bands are forced to please the largest audience, thus to deliver a mixture of several established genres
- The other bands playing "niche" or "cleaving" musics are either less innovative now and fail to renew, or become too specific to make a new genre emerge.

I'm not saying that the music itself is not good, I'm talking about genres.

What do think about it? Am I wrong? I would like to be wrong and to be still surprised.
Which new recent musical genres did you see these last years?
To young people reading this post, are you excited by a (preferably non-commercial) new music from your generation?

Maybe salvation will come from non-occidental cultures...

Edited by Modrigue - April 12 2016 at 05:39
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 04:53
New genres don't just appear, they usually have had years of development before the world at large begins to catch on.  Therefore I assume there is one or more out there fomenting, waiting for a moment when other genres have stalled and people are craving something new.  Prog itself was certainly not a "new genre" but rather a gradual extension of rock through the psych movement.  Rap was nothing more than silly parody when it emerged ('Rappers Delight') and took years to become a serious artform. 

The question is not are there no new musical genres, but rather from where will they emerge and what will they be rebelling against; My guess is whatever is en vogue right now.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 04:58
No, just variations on familiar themes..........
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 05:27
Well, there was that Dubstep thing last decade. I probably wouldn't care about future genres, like I don't care about that one or the ones you mentioned. I'm just glad there are still many interesting Rock and Jazz acts out there even if they are not very original.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 06:21
There's new sub-genres in hip-hop and electronic music every other month. Rock music has been pretty stagnant for quite a while now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 07:38
Djent is relatively new in the grand scheme of themes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 07:53
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Djent is relatively new in the grand scheme of themes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 08:35
Has Rock ran it's course or does it still move and is working alongside the changing Hip Hop and Electronics?
Could the stagnation of Rock more influenced by different of record company of executives? Or was it killed off by the choice of the Internet?
Despite 1977 being the year of Punk, the UK Top 40 singles chart was able to accommodate all kinds of varied songs.
Since 1991 the charts became Pop,Indie,Rock,R&B,Rap and Dance.
Nearly every song you hear with a guitar on TV or Radio these days only have about four chords.
I think stuff like four chord "BAL(LS)LADS" is contributing more to Rock's stagnations. Or at least just as harmful.
Have people's tastes really become more conservative or is it all down to too many distractions?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 12:35
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Djent is relatively new in the grand scheme of themes.
This. Also, Blackgaze is not very old either.


Edited by Imperial Zeppelin - April 12 2016 at 12:36
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 12:51
Dubstep is probably the newest genre I'm aware of, although I can't say I like it.

Maybe there are totally new kinds of music being made, I'm just not aware of them. Although, to be honest, I'm completely content with listening to things I know I love, and be excited when something new happens to be done with it. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 13:56
Post-genre music. 

This is music for people who don't give a flying fart what genre the music is as long as it's good music and this is a consequence of the unparalleled access to a wide variety of musical styles that the Internet provides. Basically what this means is that music is defined by the artists who create it rather than the media corporations that sells it. And that means that rather than there being no new musical genres there are for all intents and purposes as many new musical genres as there are new artists.

Fads and fashions of what is popular with listeners is no longer dictated by self-appointed gurus, media-types and record label A&R execs so genre-fication is rapidly becoming a thing of the past. Imagine Punk or Grunge appearing now without the printed paper media journalists to champion it, their apparent ground-swell of popularity was carefully crafted and promoted by the music press and that simply wouldn't happen in the Internet-age. Instead of Punk as a single genre we would have had a multitude of different names that was (perhaps) more representative of the wide variety of disparate artists that got lumped in with that genre back in 1975/76.

Without the media giants to dictate styles and trends, what we have now is more ethereal and fleeting - Djent came and basically went, Dubstep quickly morphed into a plethora of related styles, more recent so-called genres (Tin Foil Dance Music, CDM, Air Pop/Heroine Pop, Dubstazz etc.,) are like musical mayflies that shine brightly for a day before they are replaced by something else. 

Artists (such as Lorde and Raury to name but two) who recognise (whether consciously or not) this lack of genre-affiliation in the listening public would traditionally be called genre-breaking or difficult to classify, but in reality because they are of the same generation as these post-genre listeners (who predominately are "the millennials") they produce music that either has no distinctly identifiable genre or flits between genres seemingly on a whim.


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Edited by Dean - April 12 2016 at 13:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 14:30
Personally I think we have enough 'genres' already.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 14:51
I think there is a direct correlation between 'nobody buys music anymore' and the lack of innovation in music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 15:01
Originally posted by Modrigue Modrigue wrote:

- The other bands playing "niche" or "cleaving" musics are either less innovative now and fail to renew, or become too specific to make a new genre emerge.
The problem is with your "...too specific to make a new genre emerge". It's in the eye/ear of the beholder what counts as too specific. You talked about Grunge as a new genre, but many (not myself, necessarily) have equated it with Punk. Now, you can point out differences, but when can you ever say that those differences are NOT too specific to result in a new genre. Answer: whenever you want to, or whenever you don't want to (persuading others is an additional matter).





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 15:48
agreed... genres are dying as quickly as the major players and labels that created them and profitted from them.

Easy to see... look at this site. We used to have bands knocking down the door to get added here... now I don't really think they care. The one Raff just added probably don't see themselves as a prog band.. yet have been playing all the major stops and shows on the east coast for the last several years.. and they are alive and doing fine even if never added here... having found prog fans that enjoy them and book them.. and yet have reached those for who tags and labels are meaningless and support them.. caring only that the music is good, interesting, and well performed. Not caring, as the band does not, what people care to attempt to pigeonhole or categorize them as.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2016 at 10:30
I'm a bit surprised. It wouldn't have occurred to me to brand some of the music types mentioned above as new genres. I've come across some examples over the last few years, and it seems to me that giving them a new genre name isn't much more than a marketing ploy. I don't hear anything particularly new. Just slightly varied instrumentation and recording.

I suppose someone could write some metal hardcore stuff for glockenspiel and tuba, or introduce multiple death metal vocal harmony growls, but I don't think that would move me very much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2016 at 10:43
I think after decades of allowing producers to make most of the vital decisions in entertainment the result is what we by in large now have. It seems every other movie is a remake or based off an old story, nothing original.This also plagues music. The reason for this is simple, it's proven to be lucrative. So what happens to artists that are raised in an environment like this? They continue the trend because it's what they know art to be. Of coarse there are going to be outliers to this, unfortunately not enough to create a genre.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2016 at 11:18
Post-2005 genres: Vaporwave, chillwave, witchhouse, brostep, future funk, nightcore, seapunk. Is that enough for you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2016 at 11:29
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Personally I think we have enough 'genres' already.


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Agree........there are too many and it influences what people consider good music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2016 at 11:40
The problem (with rock at least) is that popular music is so exploited it's almost impossible to do something fresh. It's like with progressive rock in late 70's - everything that was to be done was done and all that was made forward on was just frying the same cutlet with different spices.
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