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    Posted: May 03 2016 at 06:54
Wow!

That's around £22 for 20 ciggies...

Sin tax or reasonable policy..?

Should such increases be applied in the UK and beyond and should enormous tax increases also apply to booze and unhealthy food to force people into better health?

Is it a basic right to be unhealthy, even if the public has to pay for your medical treatment?

Would huge tax hikes simply help the black market get a foothold?
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but what about base jumping, mountain climbing and scubadiving 
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Points: 16130 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2016 at 07:10
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

but what about base jumping, mountain climbing and scubadiving 


Predominantly middle class pursuits....whereas smoking is a paupers habit these days

Maybe that's why..



Mind you I think smoking kills more people than scubadiving, mountain climbing, base jumping combined...
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f**k Australia.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

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Don't delete my thread! It's only just been born. Give it a chance..

Just delete his nasty comment.
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^ that was my take on it too
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Beware the era of big liberal government. Coming to a society near you......soon......


bring it on..Clap

.tax the f**k out of them...  someone has to pay for us wrecking our health's....  why not have us pay as we go! LOL
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I don't have a problem with someone killing themselves by smoking; it's their choice... but sadly second hand smoke is just as bad.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Is it a basic right to be unhealthy, even if the public has to pay for your medical treatment?


Even though governments say they want people to give up smoking, the loss of tax revenue if everyone did so would cripple the NHS; smoking revenue benefits the NHS more than we cost same for smoking related diseases.

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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I don't have a problem with someone killing themselves by smoking; it's their choice... but sadly second hand smoke is just as bad.
 
actually, it's not as bad as first hand smoking.  And this is one issue that's easily solved - smoking has been banned in almost all public places in many countries.
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Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I don't have a problem with someone killing themselves by smoking; it's their choice... but sadly second hand smoke is just as bad.
 
actually, it's not as bad as first hand smoking.  And this is one issue that's easily solved - smoking has been banned in almost all public places in many countries.
 
Uh....you just said it is as bad by saying it's banned in public places....that's second hand smoke.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I don't have a problem with someone killing themselves by smoking; it's their choice... but sadly second hand smoke is just as bad.
 
actually, it's not as bad as first hand smoking.  And this is one issue that's easily solved - smoking has been banned in almost all public places in many countries.
 
Uh....you just said it is as bad by saying it's banned in public places....that's second hand smoke.
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I was saying it's not as deadly as smoking first-hand, but people who smoke make that choice. Smoking in public places is banned so that people who do not choose to smoke can avoid even second-hand smoke. That does not mean that it is the same as smoking.
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Points: 67382 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2016 at 12:59
In my opinion it's unfair that people who smoke aren't allowed to smoke in public places but people who do not smoke are free to not smoke anywhere. If instead we made smoking mandatory in public places it would be equal for everyone.
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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

In my opinion it's unfair that people who smoke aren't allowed to smoke in public places but people who do not smoke are free to not smoke anywhere. If instead we made smoking mandatory in public places it would be equal for everyone.
 
I would take this up with your local elected representative.
 
Kentucky actually has a law that you cannot discriminate against smokers, as long as they follow all applicable ordinances.  You cannot fire someone because he/she smokes.
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Points: 20478 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2016 at 15:03
Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I don't have a problem with someone killing themselves by smoking; it's their choice... but sadly second hand smoke is just as bad.
 
actually, it's not as bad as first hand smoking.  And this is one issue that's easily solved - smoking has been banned in almost all public places in many countries.
 
Uh....you just said it is as bad by saying it's banned in public places....that's second hand smoke.
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I was saying it's not as deadly as smoking first-hand, but people who smoke make that choice. Smoking in public places is banned so that people who do not choose to smoke can avoid even second-hand smoke. That does not mean that it is the same as smoking.
 
 I agree that it should not be allowed in 'public places', but my point was that I  don't care if someone smokes in private or out of doors in  open spaces  where it won't affect others. We have so much pollution now from industry and cars that you're more likely to be affected from that.
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