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    Posted: August 25 2005 at 13:50
'Fracture' is widely considered one of Fripp's best compositions, and I've been listening to it a lot recently. I've started to notice how many aspects of this song are now attributed to hardcore music (Dillinger Escape Plan and such): the tritone intervals, spastic, loud/soft and seemingly random song structure, the abrupt time changes, random spurts of jazziness etc. As far as I know, this was the first time anything of this nature was explored to that extent in music. Would you consider this song to be the root of hardcore music (along with other KC instrumentals, such as Larks Tounges in Aspic), or were there other bands doing this before Fripp and KC? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2005 at 14:42
I don't know...well, KC seems to have invented "Metal" at least (even in Their own words). Such a "violence" in playing was nearly unheard of at the time, and so were the polyrhytms, the dissonant distorted guitar, and so on...some say Led Zep invented metal, if that's true they invented it 50%, the other 50 goes to Fripp and KC. You can find elements straight off KC records in bands ranging from Metallica to Nine Inch Nails (and that's saying a lot). I don't know DEP, but you've definitely awaken my curiosity  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2005 at 17:41
Thor invented metal.  Idiots.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2005 at 17:47

I don't know about Crimson and straightforward metal (that was IMO Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult and possibly this Thor) but they took heavy guitar-based music to another level with "Larks' Tongues II", "Fracture" and "Red". Three of the best instrumentals in my collection...and do i have some good ones...

Let me get this straight, a polyrhythm is where one instrument plays in a standard time signature and another plays a more complex signature until a point where tempos eventualy meet? And one os these instrumentes is usually a member of the rhythm section?

I'm no musician so this defnintion probably sucks.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2005 at 18:06
Poly = many
Rythyms = Rythyms

So yes, that is one example.

Back to the point: I'm not crediting KC with inventing straightforward metal. I'm talking about modern hardcore/math metal, whatever you want to call it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2005 at 19:23
Modern hardcore is by no means limited to weird stuff. It's not what you meant I guess but I've drunk rather too much to explain any further. Good night.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2005 at 20:43
Yes, i think 21st century schizoid man, is the really root of metal and hardcore, and the root of fracture obviusly

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2005 at 20:49
Jeeeez, first it's KC invented prog and now it's metal? I can name you a at least half a dozen bands that were doing both way before KC! They never progressed from being a college circuit band & the reason is in their tedious, way overated music
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2005 at 20:53
That's the point of this thread: I'm asking wether there were bands before them doing the kind of stuff in Fracture that now defines lots of hardcore music (NOT conventional metal). 
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