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dr wu23 
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 Posted: June 24 2016 at 12:28 |
 SpookyGhost wrote:
Manuel wrote:
Might be weird, but I don't think Santana should be considered prog. They have their unique sound, no question about it, but it's more classic rock with a latin beat than prog-rock.Also, a lot of the metal bands are somehow considered prog, which is a long stretch by far, since they show very little innovation or uniqueness.
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I didn't even know Santana was a prog band in the first place |
Not an unusual opinion btw.....but they are listed here as jazz fusion....a sub genre...., but there are many bands here as prog related; The Who, Led Zep, BOC, etc that probably don't belong here and others that should be but aren't.
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Rednight
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Posted: June 25 2016 at 18:35 |
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I find Shine On You Crazy Diamond quite overrated |
Leagues less overrated than the majority of The Wall. I can sit through Wish You Were Here as a whole, but that can't be said for that 1979 entry.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: June 29 2016 at 09:54 |
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I think YES's Big Generator is in their top 10 best albums. And I'm not alone. Many of my friends feel the same way. The Big Generator is especially popular with my women friends.
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Rednight
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Posted: June 29 2016 at 11:23 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
The Big Generator is especially popular with my women friends. |
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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aglasshouse
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Posted: June 29 2016 at 11:40 |
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I dunno, I feel a sense of trepidation when three out of eight tracks involve 'love' in the title. I'll be honest though, I never listened to it.
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BaldJean
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Posted: July 02 2016 at 18:14 |
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"Camembert Electrique" is to the "Radio Gnome" trilogy what "The Hobbit" is to the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy and what "Rheingold" is to the "Ring of the Nibelungen" by Wagner
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TheLionOfPrague
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Posted: July 02 2016 at 19:53 |
-Side B of Relayer is good but a bit underwhelming-Islands and In the Wake of Poseidon are better than Lizard and Lark's Tongues -Kayak's Merlin: Bard of the Unseen is one of the TOP 10 prog albums ever -Wind and Wuthering is a kinda mediocre album and I prefer some of the pop era over it
Frankly, I'm not sure what else, I don't think I have a particular unpopular opinion right now. I didn't use to be a huge fan of Close to the Edge, but now it became one of my 3 or 4 favorite albums of all time, so not anymore.
dr wu23 wrote:
But I have similar opinions, no that unusual, about the prog related and crossover prog categories....either a band is prog rock or it isn't so why even have these categories and list bands like The Who and Zep who aren't really prog rock at all.
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I think it's pointless having BOTH categories, crossover and prog-related, when they're essentially the same thing.
But one of them might be OK, The Who and Zeppelin are not prog but there are bands that might be considered or not like Floyd, Supertramp, early Queen, etc. so it might help for those type of bands.
Edited by TheLionOfPrague - July 02 2016 at 19:54
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uduwudu
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Posted: July 03 2016 at 03:22 |
Possibly but not according to the booklet in the box set which unflatteringly if mildly accurately compares the soaring of the professional orchestra on El Dorado to the (other ) type of "sawing" by the ELO orchestra on the first albums (Jeff Lynne and Roy Wood). I think those comments were by the aforementioned JL.
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HosiannaMantra
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Posted: July 03 2016 at 07:31 |
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"Trilogy" cover is more intimidating than "Love Beach" cover.
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Posted: July 03 2016 at 08:13 |
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I confess. I always hated Roundabout by Yes.
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Cristi
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Posted: July 03 2016 at 09:37 |
Manuel wrote:
Also, a lot of the metal bands are somehow considered prog, which is a long stretch by far, since they show very little innovation or uniqueness. |
I agree to this, well more or less
I mean Rhapsody (of fire) is considered progressive metal, gives me a headache
Also Nightwish and Therion, as good as they were at some point, a bit innovative even, I wouldn't call them progressive metal. Same for My Dying Bride (and they were quite creative back in the 90s).
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HosiannaMantra
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Posted: July 03 2016 at 10:22 |
dr wu23 wrote:
SpookyGhost wrote:
Manuel wrote:
Might be weird, but I don't think Santana should be considered prog. They have their unique sound, no question about it, but it's more classic rock with a latin beat than prog-rock.Also, a lot of the metal bands are somehow considered prog, which is a long stretch by far, since they show very little innovation or uniqueness.
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I didn't even know Santana was a prog band in the first place |
Not an unusual opinion btw.....but they are listed here as jazz fusion....a sub genre...., but there are many bands here as prog related; The Who, Led Zep, BOC, etc that probably don't belong here and others that should be but aren't. |
Perhaps not the pure prog, but they had quite progressive way of fusing things in the early days and had an impact on later prog bands (Samurai, Camel, Birth Control...) at some point, especially Greg Rolie's organ playing and interplays with guitar. I think there are many more questionable artists included on PA, from Between the Buried and Me to Björk.
Edited by HosiannaMantra - July 03 2016 at 10:23
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dr wu23
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Posted: July 03 2016 at 11:46 |
HosiannaMantra wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
SpookyGhost wrote:
Manuel wrote:
Might be weird, but I don't think Santana should be considered prog. They have their unique sound, no question about it, but it's more classic rock with a latin beat than prog-rock.Also, a lot of the metal bands are somehow considered prog, which is a long stretch by far, since they show very little innovation or uniqueness.
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I didn't even know Santana was a prog band in the first place |
Not an unusual opinion btw.....but they are listed here as jazz fusion....a sub genre...., but there are many bands here as prog related; The Who, Led Zep, BOC, etc that probably don't belong here and others that should be but aren't. |
Perhaps not the pure prog, but they had quite progressive way of fusing things in the early days and had an impact on later prog bands (Samurai, Camel, Birth Control...) at some point, especially Greg Rolie's organ playing and interplays with guitar. I think there are many more questionable artists included on PA, from Between the Buried and Me to Björk.
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Once again...they are listed here as 'jazz fusion' though imho they are more rock than jazz until the 4th album and some of Carlo's later side things and then later back to a more rock sound.....but then I suppose we can get into semantics and argue this if you like. Santana, one of my old time favorites, definitely have progressive elements in much of their music but as you said they are not pure prog. (What I meant originally was that many people don't think of them as prog per se so it was not really an unusual prog opinion as the thread title says. ) I always thought of them as a rock band back in college when were listening to the early albums.
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presdoug
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Posted: July 07 2016 at 07:40 |
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I am rediscovering Gentle Giant's Giant For A Day album, and I think it's great!
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Nicky
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Posted: July 07 2016 at 15:15 |
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I've never liked Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here and The Wall. Not a bannable offence I hope :)
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Magnum Vaeltaja
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Posted: July 07 2016 at 16:49 |
Nicky wrote:
I've never liked Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here and The Wall. Not a bannable offence I hope :) |
Don't worry, I'm with you on those. They're well-done, well-produced albums, but I've never felt anything from them. 3 stars each, at best.
I haven't been banned for my opinion so far, but I did get some particularly unpleasant private messages after my lukewarm Dark Side review!
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when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents
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Pastmaster
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Posted: July 07 2016 at 19:19 |
Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:
Nicky wrote:
I've never liked Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here and The Wall. Not a bannable offence I hope :) |
Don't worry, I'm with you on those. They're well-done, well-produced albums, but I've never felt anything from them. 3 stars each, at best.
I haven't been banned for my opinion so far, but I did get some particularly unpleasant private messages after my lukewarm Dark Side review! |
Good thing I haven't posted a review of Court of the Crimson King, I'd probably get even more backlash. 
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: October 20 2016 at 14:32 |
GENESIS first masterpiece is Dude, but not in Prog 
Oops ! Funny typo. Corrected:
GENESIS masterpiece is Dude, but not in Prog
Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - October 23 2016 at 10:19
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You may see a smile on Tony Banks´ face but that´s unlikely.
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: October 20 2016 at 14:42 |
Enchlore wrote:
Tony Banks had an angelical voice in "The Shepherd" (a song from a Genesis box set where he sang a small part) and he should have taken the lead vocal role instead of Phil Collins after Peter Gabriel left (although I like Phil's vocal work on A Trick of the Tail).
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 Damn Phil, they should never had allow him leave his drum kit.
Seriously I must revisit "The Shepherd" once again. Thanks for reminding !
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You may see a smile on Tony Banks´ face but that´s unlikely.
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Rednight
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Posted: October 20 2016 at 14:42 |
Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
GENESIS first masterpiece is Dude, but not in Prog |
This is all just weird.
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