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uduwudu
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Topic: Calling Mr Floyd Posted: September 25 2016 at 06:31 |
One of the most constant comedies in the world of prog - or even non prog - are the vitriolic insistence that some band is not REAL as it is not like what was before. Cursed be progression - it means change, anathema to reactionary prog fans like me who like things to stay the same and resent and resist progress. And Pink Floyd are prime sport. "It's not really PF because <someone> is not there..." Actually they are all Floyd with a different personality dominating. I could cheat and include a more collaborative effort. There must be one somewhere... studio disc of Ummagumma perhaps...? Oh! No. That's where all this trouble began... Solo albums together. Anyway as we know (?) the primary writers of Floyd made their most significant statements by being head honcho for an album or two or so. Which is what this is about. Richard Wright is a notable absentee as his contributions were more on the albums that were more band collaborative. I don't really think The Endless River would be appropriate. So who gets your vote at least this time. Let hostilities commence.
Edited by uduwudu - September 28 2016 at 03:55
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 06:40 |
easy vote there man...
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EddieRUKiddingVarese
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 06:55 |
I voted Syd in answer to your description of your question but Mr Floyd will always be Roger Waters
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Manuel
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 06:57 |
EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:
I voted Syd in answer to your description of your question but Mr Floyd will always be Roger Waters |
I couldn't say it better.
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HackettFan
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 07:30 |
Gilmore. I have a guitar bias. I'm a guitar player, and I tend to listen for and elevate the importance of guitar parts.
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mechanicalflattery
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 08:22 |
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is Floyd's second best album. There is absolutely no comparison here. Might as well compare Close to the Edge or Thick as a Brick with whatever Yes and Jethro Tull were pumping out in the 80's. Syd Barrett is deservedly a legend, although that doesn't seem to be as popular of an opinion around these parts.
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DeadSouls
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 08:36 |
Barrett.
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 10:21 |
The Final Cut-Momentary Lapse of Reason and then Piper.
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 12:11 |
Without Barrett it would have been just another blues revival band, and neither one of the best. The Piper is an absolute masterpiece and has set the path for Waters and what came after. How could Waters think of Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun without having been in Barret's band first?
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 13:41 |
Cut > Piper > Lapse
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 14:17 |
I'm not much into Piper or Syd Barrett but it's the best option here. For me Wright is Mr. Floyd, every album he was not involved (or barely) are not very good, in my opinion.
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Lewian
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 14:43 |
Not a Barrett fan but Piper is so much better than the other two options which made me lose my interest in PF.
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 15:34 |
I am not a fan of Syd Barret, and I regard Piper as one of those albums that has its moments. I enjoy Ordinary Lapse quite a bit - it is a fine collection of songs but has no true cohesion to it. The Final Cut, my least favorite of the Waters dominated albums, also has some brilliant moments, and is the best of the bunch here. The problem however, is that I do not consider Waters as Mr. Floyd, even though I have voted for him (I like to follow the actual poll rather than try to turn it into something else). I do not consider anyone in particular as Mr. Floyd. Pink Floyd has always been a collaboration; none of the principles have achieved a masterpiece alone albeit they have released many good albums. Floyd survived after Barrett by progressing, evolving into something different, but Gilmour level Floyd never achieved the same level as the Waters era. This may sound like Waters is the man, but he needed the others to make what he was writing sound good.
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Posted: September 25 2016 at 16:01 |
I'd rather listen to and own the Barrett Floyd album since imo the other two are very mediocre.
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Posted: September 26 2016 at 05:02 |
At least until the mid-70s, the Floyd were a group - thus the contribution of Rick Wright (particularly on the early albums) is certainly worthy of the accolade!
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Posted: September 26 2016 at 05:14 |
Mr. Barret.
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Posted: September 26 2016 at 06:11 |
why not the Wall? why not the Division Bell?
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uduwudu
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Posted: September 27 2016 at 02:55 |
Cristi wrote:
why not the Wall? why not the Division Bell? |
The Wall is a Waters originated piece but not as exclusively as The Final Cut. Still... THe Wall versus Piper. Could be interesting. But not the point of this poll. Could've been the Division Bell but AMLOR (unfairly) gets so much dislike I thought it should stand up alongside the other albums Floyd did that are more led by one member than the more collaborative efforts. I'm very curious as to how much consideration of the actual audio pout put influences opinion versus listeners getting caught up in the band politics and possibly missing out on a musical experience; or being influenced by matters with they have no control or influence. I recall the cover of Arnold Layne Bowie and Gilmour did and Gilmour especially was trashed by the denizens of Amazon. All they did was record a song. Bit like the torture we get with Yes from 83 - 94. Fine albums mainly but based on a beloved and unique legacy which... was subject to later change. How we let perceptions govern reality in one of the most subjective mediums of all.
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Cristi
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Posted: September 27 2016 at 03:14 |
I don't know which to vote for, I like these albums but all three of them are uneven, some great songs and some filler.
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Posted: September 27 2016 at 13:08 |
someone_else wrote:
Cut > Piper > Lapse |
Yep.
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