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lazland 
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 Posted: October 30 2016 at 13:42 |
 The Dark Elf wrote:
The Ghost wrote:
Well he's a communist, so...
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So communists normally opt to ally themselves with conservative religious fundamentalists? I've got to reread my Karl Marx. |
So should they, because it is a fact that modern day fundamental left wing activists, Trots, and the like, most certainly are allying themselves with an assortment of distasteful religious fundamentalists. The farcical "investigation" by Shami Chakrabarti (now Lady Chakrabarti) into anti Sematism in the Labour Partyis the latest in a long line of very sad occurrences in modern left wing politics.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: October 30 2016 at 12:58 |
The Ghost wrote:
Well he's a communist, so...
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So communists normally opt to ally themselves with conservative religious fundamentalists? I've got to reread my Karl Marx.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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The Ghost
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Posted: October 30 2016 at 12:50 |
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Well he's a communist, so...
Edited by The Ghost - October 30 2016 at 12:50
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lazland
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Posted: October 30 2016 at 12:34 |
CPicard wrote:
Well, I'm still on the left side of political alignemnent, but I'm not sure what it has to do with Roger Waters and his unsollicited opinions about Israel.
Anyway, when creating a thread about Roger Waters and his views about the Israeli/Palestinian non-stop fun since 1949, it could be useful to remember what he said and/or wrote... At least, it could be useful for me, since I haven't really read anything about that... 
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I am still on the left side of political alignment. However, one of the biggest issues in modern left wing politics in Britain is the undying love for various Islamic causes, and undying hatred for anything to do with Israel, and it is, btw, anti Semitic, not anti Zionist. Waters has released a couple of songs which are, undoubtedly, anti Israel and lovingly pro Palestinian. He has refused to play in Israel. I contrast this with the incredible track Gaza, from Marillion's 2013 album, Sounds That Can't Be Made. This told the story of said territory from a child's perspective, and was incredibly even handed in its approach. Waters' approach is nothing like this.
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CPicard
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Posted: October 30 2016 at 12:10 |
Well, I'm still on the left side of political alignemnent, but I'm not sure what it has to do with Roger Waters and his unsollicited opinions about Israel. Anyway, when creating a thread about Roger Waters and his views about the Israeli/Palestinian non-stop fun since 1949, it could be useful to remember what he said and/or wrote... At least, it could be useful for me, since I haven't really read anything about that...
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Darious
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Posted: October 30 2016 at 11:48 |
lazland wrote:
I simply do not agree with him, and it is also, btw, one of the biggest reasons why I fell out of love with left wing politics. |
Hah, I selfishly thought it only happened to me! Good to know others maintained their rationalism too.
Edited by Darious - October 30 2016 at 12:21
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Finnforest
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Posted: October 30 2016 at 11:46 |
Agreed....I'm used to having to ignore the politics of my favorite artists....and many friends ;) And Darious....your signature 
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Darious
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Posted: October 30 2016 at 11:43 |
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True that. And I'm not listening to Roger Waters (whether he talks or plays) anymore. Not just because of his twisted political views, but simply because this guy hasn't got anything creative on offer at all. Let's not bother ourselves with him, he doesn't matter.
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lazland
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Posted: October 30 2016 at 11:38 |
javajeff wrote:
It is hard to like a guy when he spreads hatred. I don't understand why these people get involved in politics. You would think they would be gracious of all fans. |
Well, to be fair, he has been writing political songs for forty odd years, now. Floyd music, and his solo stuff, brim with political opinions. As a youth, I bought into Waters' lyrics in a big way, and still do, to a certain extent. I do, though, draw the line at his opinion of Israel, without ever denying his right to speak. I simply do not agree with him, and it is also, btw, one of the biggest reasons why I fell out of love with left wing politics.
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javajeff
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Posted: October 30 2016 at 11:33 |
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It is hard to like a guy when he spreads hatred. I don't understand why these people get involved in politics. You would think they would be gracious of all fans.
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