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lazland
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13249 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 10:30 | ||||
This is indeed, sadly, absolutely true. It is the reason why each and every one of us should be prepared to look at such people who promise the earth in the pursuit of such goals with cynical and untrusting minds and eyes. Unfortunately, in recent times, the instances of such loonies inflicting themselves and their creeds on the world's populations has increased. |
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
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tszirmay
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 10:50 | ||||
I am curious , why can you not comment? Is this unspoken of in Japan?
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 11:46 | ||||
It's simpler than that. You would be safe if you were white despite your religion...Unless you were a jew. Of course it was pretty much safer to be Catholic than Jew, but that was because the NAZI party was anti-Semitic. Being that Eugenio Paccelli was a Nuncio in Germany and loved that country, Hitler believed that he would support the Nazis, but soon found it was a mistake. Pius XI proclaimed Non Abbiamo Bisogno (Which was written by Eugenio Paccelli), in which he condemned Fascism (1931). In 1937 followed Mit Brennender Sorge (Also written by Pacelli), which condemned racial persecution. Hitler believed that when Paccelli was elected, the things would change, but as soon a he was elected, he proclaimed Summi Pontificatus where he attacked racism and totalitarian governments. The news were not good for Hitler Jewish Views and News Published in April 1939
The Rabbi of Romania spoke publicly in favour of Pius and that's when the harassment against Catholics started. According to David Dalin (American Rabbi) 6,000 Catholics (Piests, nuns and simple Catholics) were slaughtered for hiding Jews, according to him 860,000 Jews were saved by orders of Pius. Hitler already knew that the Catholic Church wouldn't support him, so in 1934 he took the Evangelische Deutsche Kirche and named Nazi leader Ludwig Muller as Reichbishop...Of course he had strong opposition from Lutherans who were not Nazis, but it was too late, Hitler had control of his Reich Church. But as you say, sooner or later, Hitler would get rid of all Christians |
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 12:05 | ||||
Since a lot of people have already given you information about the past of the Nazi Party, let me talk to you about its present: a relatively mild version is currently running the most powerful nation on Earth.
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Upbeat Tango Monday
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 10 2015 Location: Buenos Aires Status: Offline Points: 1189 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 12:33 | ||||
Germany might have lost the proper war, but the extreme-left nazi ideals live on . Today, most of the allied countries are really close to what the nazi party envisioned (Mussolini followed a somewhat similar line). Franco was a right wing conservative and a religious man. Nothing to do with the other two dictators.
What was the german socialist viewpoint? (aka. main traits of @ssholes) -German workers were exploited and greedy jews controlled the banks, the media and the arts. Also, "less skilled" immigrants (romanians, poles, gypsies) stole jobs from the germans. -The State must control the economy and human relations in order to stop capitalism from "polluting" Germany -Animals had more rights than some human beigns -Most environmentally conscious regime in history. -Expropriation of private property -Control of the media -Censorship and racism -Prosecution of freethinkers and people who opposed the regime -Love of physical activity and healthy lifestyle -Support of atheism and pagan movements (like wicca) etc. The difference between the russian and german socialism was that the russians didn't care about animals or the environment, were less educated, technologically inferior, and killed entire families by the millions, whereas the nazis were too forgiving (in comparison, that is). And we know that with a high survival rate, more negative views arise. And that's a problem, since socialism is all about genocide. Also, racism, while present, wasn't the "main point" of nazism, allied countries were extremelly racist as well. Go watch the ads, or read the testimonies of japanese survivors of american concentration camps. If the axis had won the war, they would have depicted the allies as savage racists. The main focus was expansionism and economy: capitalism and mixed economy against central planning and control. Of couse I like the allies way more. Today the world is way closer to nazism than libertarianism, to collectivism than individualism, to control than freedom...and I don't like it one bit. I've seen cases of people receiving fines for collecting rainwater and using solar energy...if we keep on going this way, the State might tax sunbathing and breathing. There are many things I'd like to add, but I might get into trouble with today's thought police. Screw national socialism! |
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Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 12:46 | ||||
Well, some of them perhaps, but certainly not "all christians". In the Soviet Union between 12-20 million christians were "got rid of" over a 70 year period, the rest of the christian population (which was most of them - 80% of the population was christian prior to the revolution) simply kept quiet or just wrote "none" on official forms. The same thing would have happened in Germany as even a party of completely deranged lunatics would not wipe-out 80% of their own population.
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A Person
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 13:24 | ||||
On what world is fascism remotely left?
I am not sure you know anything at all about socialism. Edited by A Person - February 06 2017 at 13:29 |
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Upbeat Tango Monday
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 10 2015 Location: Buenos Aires Status: Offline Points: 1189 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 13:28 | ||||
I want to add another misconception.
The nazis weren't white supremacists, they were all about racial purity. It was socialism for the original inhabitants of Germany (the aryan race). That's why Hitler killed millions of whites, but loved the japanese who were an untainted race. The same when it came to dogs. He loved them, but could not stand albino dogs (white) whom he deemed impure. Peron (Argentina's most loved dictator) was pro-nazi. He had indian blood, the original american blood. My family is 100% white (we are all europeans). The first batch came to Argentina when Peron was in charge. We were considered people who came to this land in order to take jobs from the indians. We had to pay enormous taxes for the govt. to create phantom factories and give salaries and social welfare to those with pure indian blood. Every time I see a white guy like myself calling himself a nazi while in America, be it in Argentina or USA I laugh my ass off. Neo-nazis are really ignorant. |
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Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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Tillerman88
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 31 2015 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 495 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 13:38 | ||||
Gosh.....History about to repeat itself again and most of us still replicating the same old mistakes..........
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Upbeat Tango Monday
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 10 2015 Location: Buenos Aires Status: Offline Points: 1189 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 13:43 | ||||
Of course not! I'm really, really dumb and your clever arguments are sound! You've convinced me with your eloquence and intellect. I'll stop being a libertarian and join the left right now! |
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Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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A Person
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 13:45 | ||||
>libertarian well there's the problem! no conversation necessary to be honest |
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Upbeat Tango Monday
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 10 2015 Location: Buenos Aires Status: Offline Points: 1189 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 14:10 | ||||
Good! Don't speak with someone outside the ant colony, comrade...I bet socialism will work next time! |
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Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10377 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 14:32 | ||||
you forgot to mention the Reichskonkordat, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat), Dean, which was signed 4 years before "Mit brennender Sorge". Rolf Hochhuth's play "Der Stellvertreter. Ein christlisches Trauerspiel" ("The Deputy. A Christian Tragedy") from 1963, one of the most important German plays of the 20th century, is all about Pius XI and especially the Reichskonkordat Edited by BaldJean - February 06 2017 at 14:33 |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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presdoug
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8085 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 14:49 | ||||
Composer Richard Strauss, who had to deal with the Nazis directly, dubbed them, "dilettantes and barbarians".
I am just in the process of reading a bio of German conductor Wilhelm Furtwaengler called "The Devil's Music Master". A controversial figure, condemned by some for staying behind in Germany during the Nazi terror, he, at great personal risk, saved scores of Jews from death, and openly condemned the Nazis. Himmler wanted to arrest Furtwaengler for doing so, but he escaped to Switzerland. He basically thought, somewhat naievly, that he could fight the Nazis from within, and that politics and art were totally separate from each other. A courageous man in very difficult times.
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20503 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 14:54 | ||||
Hitler prodded Ferdinand Porsche to design and build the Volkswagen Beetle. That's little compensation, I'm afraid.
Edited by SteveG - February 06 2017 at 14:56 |
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DamoXt7942
Forum & Site Admin Group Avant/Cross/Neo/Post Teams Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17459 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 16:08 | ||||
Almost all of Japanese should know enough, methinks.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 16:38 | ||||
Of course that we accept theReichskonkordat, The Catholic Church knew what was comming, so the Concordat was a need to protect the Catholics in Germany, it has no political meaning, it's just an agreement to recognize te right of the Catholics. The article 29 was a protection to ethnic minorities:
As a fact the complementary clause, frees priests from participating in a war
This was an intelligent move to avoid supporting the Nazi party in a case of war There's more, no Catholic could be a NAZI, in 1931 The German Bishop issued a decree of Latae Sententiae Excommunication (automatic with no need of trial), to any Catholic that joined the Nazi Party: In 1932, the ban was relaxed because workers were forced to join the NAZI party, but the excommunication to leaders and active party members remained intact. The Concordat is so well done, that continues in force until today where it doesn't collision with the Constitution. Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 06 2017 at 16:44 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 16:43 | ||||
It's a language problem by my part...I'm saying he would declare every Christian Church illegal and get rid of the clergy. The only lunatic capable of the other solution was Pol Pot.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 16:54 | ||||
Well, no I didn't because I had no need to mention it all as it has no bearing on anything I posted. Iván may have neglected to mention it in his chronological account of the relationship between the catholic church and the German government but that could be because he didn't think it relevant (somehow, don't ask me how), so there you have it, I'm not Iván, he's not me, I'm not drunk but in the morning I'll still be ugly. Sorry, what was the question? Will there be cake?
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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10377 |
Posted: February 06 2017 at 17:01 | ||||
I don't quite agree. you went into the relationship between Church and NS regime, and the Reichskonkordat is a major issue there Edited by BaldJean - February 06 2017 at 17:04 |
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