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micky
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Posted: March 24 2017 at 21:21 | ||
yeah.... heard that many times... but he was such a great business man. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT but Trump voter wouldn't have known.... they wanted change.. forget what the real problem was. For they reelected those fools... case in point... of that difference Donald Trump had heard enough about policy and process. It was Thursday afternoon and members of the House Freedom Caucus were peppering the president with wonkish concerns about the American Health Care Act—the language that would leave Obamacare’s “essential health benefits” in place, the community rating provision that limited what insurers could charge certain patients, and whether the next two steps of Speaker Paul Ryan’s master plan were even feasible—when Trump decided to cut them off. "Forget about the little sh*t," Trump said, according to multiple sources in the room. "Let's focus on the big picture here."
Why did Trump fail in his alter-ego as the great 'closer'? The answer, to Republicans on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue, is obvious: Because he lacked familiarity with the legislation itself. “Trump is a business executive. When he tells his lieutenants to get something done, he's used to it getting done,” one senior House GOP aide said.“He’s really not used to getting involved himself.” and that my friends is what we are stuck with.. what Trump voter gave us.. is again.. the problem when half the electorate does not THINK before it votes. He wants to be a CEO of America.. ahhh.. that was not the job description.. not what this country needs. It isn't a f**king business.. never has been... never will be. Edited by micky - March 24 2017 at 21:23 |
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HackettFan
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Posted: March 24 2017 at 21:07 | ||
So this is what it's like to have a business man in office.
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micky
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Posted: March 24 2017 at 19:55 | ||
as an addendum to that... and my point... Roughly as many Republican voters said their members vote on the bill “won’t matter much” in their choice at the ballot box, 41 percent, as said it would make them more likely to support their member, 43 percent. that is the problem..... even when such a bill hurts them much more than those like me, like many of us, that are unaffected by this sh*t.. but seem to care more for their own well-being. you know... the greater good... than they do themselves.. thus the problem. and the post correction. the problem isn't the policians.. again.. it is the ignorant, uninformed people that support them. Why should they care.. when the people that elected them don't even care. The hell of it is those politicans know the score..the game.. and how it is played.. and hold them in as much contempt as those like us do. You toss them a bone.. throw a bill to protect their bathroom experiences... make non-whites the boogymen... and all the while making the rich richer and dong nothing tangible to improve their supporters lives. |
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micky
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Posted: March 24 2017 at 19:49 | ||
hah... shame... I"m still in the shock and denial stage. Like Hillary probably still is
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doompaul
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Posted: March 24 2017 at 15:29 | ||
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micky
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Posted: March 24 2017 at 15:15 | ||
bravo!!! you can excuse the politicians... they have proven time and time again they don't care about the common man dude. Hey don't blame them for sh*tting on their constiuants. They have NEVER been held accountable by them. Oh they throw them red meat.. and scare them stupid..but what is the practical definition of insanity... doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. the problem again are not the idiots in charge on the Hill... it is with those that continue to elect them. Thinking they care or will do anything substantial in their interests. That is the problem America has... it isn't the politicians.. it is the electorate. |
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micky
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Posted: March 24 2017 at 15:10 | ||
yeah...nor unsurprising... even some of those idiots on the Hill know they are playing with their jobs.. the gravytrain... and couldn't support that trainwreck of a bill anticlimatic..but OHHH so very interesting... Suspect this is going to have a lot of fallout.. and yeah .. it also f**ks Trumps adjenda for the year. No surprise.. he didn't give a sh*t about health care... taxes... oh you bet ya he did about that... now they'll have to negotiate with the Dems on that.. and no way do they allow massive corporate and 1%r tax breaks which were coming with but a simple majority vote under the guise of the 'healthcare bill' no wonder it was a sh*t bill.. it wasn't intended to fix health care.. or make sure those in need were served.. it was but a tool.. a means to an end man. |
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 24 2017 at 15:03 | ||
First of all: congratulations to the American people. I feel very relieved for you all.
Now, I wonder how Donald Trump, the man who never, ever admits to failures of any kind, will publically react; meaning who's he going to blame the most: the republicans? The democrats? The house? Sean Spicer? The unfair media? The American people? The French or Canadian secret service? Melania? The maitre d' at Mar-a-Lago? The possibilities are endless. I can't wait for the barrage of tweets. If I make the impression that I'm gloating, the reason is probably that I am. |
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LearsFool
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 09 2014 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 8636 |
Posted: March 24 2017 at 14:37 | ||
Ryan and Trump have been forced to pull their bill just before the inevitably fatal vote.
Well, that was anticlimactic.
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progaardvark
Collaborator Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 48915 |
Posted: March 24 2017 at 06:01 | ||
Mental illness.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 24 2017 at 05:03 | ||
Fixed
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SteveG
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Posted: March 24 2017 at 04:08 | ||
Looks like your shadow has left the building.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 24 2017 at 03:39 | ||
This
healthcare thing: I don't live in the US, so perhaps someone could explain to
me how such a plan could even be considered. Edited by npjnpj - March 24 2017 at 03:42 |
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 24 2017 at 01:34 | ||
I wonder if Trump thnks that a filibuster is anything that exceeds 140 characters.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: March 23 2017 at 23:00 | ||
Lots of news recently, none surprising.
The Trump "budget" (loosely used since it's lacking on a little known as revenue) boosts military, natl security spending, puts some money aside for that f**kin wall that he probably is gunna actually attempt, all paid for by massive cuts to most else...the EPA and science in general taking a massive hit. No shock to any of that. Healthcare repeal is floundering. Despite 7 years of yelling repeal, seems the GOP never discussed a plan. It's pretty amazing to see them try to navigate this debacle. As of now the bill doesn't have the votes in either chamber but I'm sure they are working on sweeteners, kickbacks, threats and maybe concessions to try and get everyone on board. We shall see. Again no shock to this. It's just funny to me to see the Freedom Caucus is possibly gunna kill this bill and they are from the anti gov movement started basically by bashing Obamacare Gorsuch is going through hearings. Been pretty normal....the opposition trying to find ways to get him to answer something while he vaguely rolls around trying to not answer. Its mostly show, supposedly Al Franken really shown...some wonder if he's setting up for 2020. The SC situation still enrages me. The GOP can hold the Court hostage, literally steal a seat, and they will get away with it. Either the Dems obstruct and get nuclear optioned, or accept it and are screwed out of the seat. Either way Gorsuch is in and they got royally f**ked. Personally, I'd say it's wise to put up a tokenistic effort but not filibuster Gorsuch. Why give McConnell what he wants? On the flip side...I am not sure I totally buy into the "dont fight this one, keep the filibuster, fight the next justice" because Mitch will use the nuclear option anyway.... I sometimes fight the urge to say "f**k it" just filibuster, the future of the court is probably gunna be up/down votes anyway since loooong before Garland, the process was getting crazier and crazier. Or ya know the GOP can find their backbone and come up with a gang to solve this bipartisanly like they did under Bush .....
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HackettFan
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Posted: March 23 2017 at 19:33 | ||
Vote on Trump health"care" delayed. This is what results when you fail to get a mandate. Oh, and by the way, though it's not the final word; ha ha!
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SteveG
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Posted: March 23 2017 at 09:40 | ||
Edited by SteveG - March 23 2017 at 09:40 |
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 22 2017 at 23:31 | ||
Thanks guys, that explains it, of course. The way it was worded in some news outlets led me to believe that Trump could directly relieve house members from their posts, or at least relieve them of some of their functions.
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 22 2017 at 18:05 | ||
^ I've been observing that too; people don't just roll over because some guy is President.
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Easy Money
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10367 |
Posted: March 22 2017 at 17:39 | ||
^ Trump (or anyone else) can get involved in a congressional election and more or less tell voters that he does not approve of said person and further more, he does not want people to support said person. I don't know how much power Trump is going to have in a year and a half when the elections take place, by then people (even Republicans) may not care who he does or does not approve of. It could even get to the point where Trump's approval could be a politician's kiss of death.
I know a lot of conservative voters and Republicans, and very very few (almost none) have a positive opinion of Trump. Some voted for him so as to defeat Clinton, but I think he is turning out to be much worse than what anyone imagined. I don't know where this 37% approval rating is coming from. In the very conservative district where I live, I would guess it to be more like 10 or 15%. I don't think his policies annoy the conservatives around here, but his childish behavior definitely does. Edited by js (Easy Money) - March 22 2017 at 17:54 |
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