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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20503 |
Posted: August 28 2017 at 04:08 | |
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: August 28 2017 at 08:42 | |
If we haven't licked the problem in thousands of years, we are unlikely to going ahead. Probably hardwired in our DNA. What was an essential survival skill for early man is now a nuisance, sometimes a menace, that makes it difficult to work with each other.
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 64353 |
Posted: August 28 2017 at 16:36 | |
But tribalism is not racism, and both rear their ugly heads just as often. The two things are completely different and seem to depend on a whole host of irrational desires and needs. In fact the entire concept of 'teamwork' suggests there are other teams that are inferior or must be competed against. Reagan was right: what we need is a good old fashioned alien invasion to truly bring all people of the Earth together.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: August 29 2017 at 07:58 | |
A fluke? Oh Micky...I am glad you don't run the Democratic Party That is a bit of a dangerous mindset. Ah so demographics will save us 20 years from now, now 4? Bit of a moving goal post my man. Yes each year a new wave of young people are entering voting age, and each year a wave of people are also getting older. For the time being, people getting older > getting younger and this will be the case for a few years I reckon. We can't kick back and say in 20 years all is good, and we cant just wave off 2016 and assume oh the base will come back together. We need to be active and have a plan, and remember it aint just the WH. We saw how, sadly, restricted the PotUS can be. We can't keep winning the WH while being slaughtered in Congress (where the rust belt was already going red well before 2016).
I guess I'll just say: While I am not sure about the history of how race is perceived and what its modern conception is and all that, I find that a bit difficult to believe. I totally get that capitalism exacerbates these issues....low wage workers always hated immigrants, who tended to be low wage aka competition and this continue today. (Well now even college educated high wage white collar people are becoming opposed as they face competition from foreign educated workers....loloops guess people only like free markets so much) But I do believe racism (prejudice against a group of people) has always been a part of history, sadly it seems inherent to human nature.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: August 29 2017 at 08:25 | |
Indeed and that's why I can't really believe capitalism and its creation of modern race etc is really the problem. You said it, that is old as people itself and transcends everything. Though I will say I did mean tribalism in a more specific way, I guess it'd have been more accurate to say "identity politics". That's what I was thinking. It really has f**ked everything up. That's how this "alt right" even happened. This collection of fairly diverse right wing (sometimes vaguely) groups, former leftists, libertarians...all kinda pooled into this one group. Unified by the need to identify with the same type of people, basically white people (and share a general opposition to liberalism). We see it on YouTube. People will arm themselves and go to war to defend some youtube person they like, no matter what they say or do, even if it means taking on racist and sexist comments. We no longer accept "separate the work and the person" and its spilled over to all of society. Everyone is putting aside XYZ 123 to rally around and defend to death their person, party, group etc And since the parties are aligning more and more around identity, of course politics is becoming more hostile. 538 had a great article on down ballot voting and how it was a record high in 2016, ya know the vanishing of "purple America" and honestly most are turning red. Tribalism...gotta vote GOP no matter what
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: September 16 2017 at 22:24 | |
In yet another middle finger to the GOP, Trump will apparently NOT pull out of the Paris Accord now :O
I mean, good, this is great news, just the shock of it is still lingering. Being anti environment (and anti intl community) was as sincere as Trump seemed. Also can't lie....it's kind of hilarious. After how the GOP has been for the last 9 years it's funny as hell to see this, they must be livid. I doubt he's pivoting, maybe it's revenge? Maybe he realized to get anything done there's no hope in the GOP? Did he actually get and accept smart advice and is ally building (instead of isolating) to get tax cuts passed??
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: September 20 2017 at 04:28 | |
With Trump threatening to kill 25 million North Korean people in front of the UN, it somehow puts Hitler into perspective, doesn't it. Bloody amateur, he was.
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The T
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Posted: September 20 2017 at 09:56 | |
And unlike the Austrian boy he loves, Trump actually has the firepower to wipe off 25 million people.
Edited by The T - September 20 2017 at 09:57 |
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20503 |
Posted: September 20 2017 at 10:27 | |
Hitler had the power to kill 13,000,000 just in the Holocaust alone. That's not even taking in to consideration all the civilians killed in bombings and all of allied military killed in the WWII.
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The T
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Posted: September 20 2017 at 12:12 | |
I mean in just a few seconds.
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SteveG
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Posted: September 21 2017 at 04:01 | |
^That's true, but I still feel a similarity.
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Posted: September 21 2017 at 12:28 | |
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SteveG
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Posted: September 21 2017 at 13:51 | |
Rof!
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The T
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Posted: September 22 2017 at 11:13 | |
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 24 2017 at 22:22 | |
Well, I said a while ago what's happening in the US is just part of a global movement (the hollowing out of the center/mainstream in favor of left and mostly right populism) and thus far it seems to be holding true.
Germany had their election and while Merkel and the CDU won as expected, they did see a big drop off in support, as did the SDP the 2 historical parties of Germany. AfD won 13.5% of the vote gaining 87ish seats making them the 3rd largest party in Germany This shall be spun as a win for the centrists and sanity, and obviously good they won, but a little scary to see those AfD numbers. Even in the rock of sanity and stability right wing populists are finding success, and I shudder to think what may happen with the next crash, especially if they and Europe follow austerity again (which is likely to be the case especially with the German libertarians winning back a bunch of seats, and demanding they pick the finance minister in exchange for allying with the CDU) |
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 26 2017 at 10:51 | |
Today is the Republican Primary for the AL senate race to replace Sessions
It's widely expected that Roy Moore will win, the twice suspended Chief Justice of the AL Supreme Court. First time for refusing to remove a federal law calling for the removal of a ten commandments statue, second time for telling judges to ignore the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage. He also compared homosexuality to bestiality and once referred to certain groups of people as "reds and yellows". For a cherry on top, at a rally yesterday he whipped out a gun on stage. And this man is almost certainly gunna be our next Senator from Alabama
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SteveG
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Posted: September 26 2017 at 10:55 | |
Nationalism is the new disco JJ. When people get tired of falling off their platform heals, some equivalent of punk will take over. It's all a big circle.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: September 26 2017 at 12:26 | |
Moore is a lunatic. Have you seen this from Jeff Stein's Vox article?
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The T
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Posted: September 26 2017 at 12:29 | |
Lol.
Well, it's Alabama after all.
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20503 |
Posted: September 27 2017 at 04:09 | |
^And we fought the Civil War to preserve this?
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