The American Politics Thread

^ Speaking of statistics, have you ever checked out the music of Iannis Xennakis?
(I might have misspelled that.)

Yes, amazing music.
Not really 'statistical', but somewhat similar. How about Milton Babbit?

Yes, I like "All Set", but my favorite is "Ensembles for Synthesizer". It seems to my ears, that by applying higher math, one produces a music very close to nature itself.

Easy Money wrote: rogerthat wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: rogerthat wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: I'm going to ignore your disdain of people voting their conscience. I want you to focus on the fact that a white guy telling black people to get in line and do what's best for them given the history of race relations in the US is at best demeaning and incredibly unlikely to result in the outcome you desire.  As valid as this may be, the Republican Party is not making a great effort to woo African Americans either. That's true, but very tangential to what I was saying.  The point is black people don't have an option other than to line up and vote for the Democratic Party because the GOP won't offer them an alternative.  And it's not even as if staying at home won't make it worse.  After 2016, it's unlikely they will feel that way.   Your attempts to speak for a group of people you seem to know nothing about is ill-advised at best. Just judging from the feeds I get from my farcebook friends, its pretty obvious to me that African Americans have way more diverse political views than you think they do. Personally, I don't care for hollywood donald at all, but I don't project my views on others, and I don't expect any group of people to have some sort of one mind about much of anything. Your trying to speak for "black people in the south", but how many do you know personally. I live in a southern metro area that is predominantly black, these are my friends, co-workers, students, band mates etc. Hell, everybody in my band is a "southern black". They have diverse views and it is condescending and insulting for you to dictate how they vote, thats just typical 'colonial' attitude to me.

Actually I have spoken to a number of them in MD and they were all disgusted with Trump. And I am not telling them how to vote, unless you are conflating someone else's posts with mine. You would recall that it was I who posted here a clip of a black professor analysing why black voters in the South chose a moderate rather than Sanders in the Dem primary.

I am pointing out simply that election after election, only a small slice of the black vote goes to the GOP. And the GOP must think about why that is. If they think that is just the black people's fault (not going to regurgitate the familiar and insulting GOP talking points here), then they only represent white America, not America. As such, not just black people but every minority group represents a disproportionate propensity to vote for the Dems which cannot be explained as only an ideological difference. Because, as you say, they have diverse views just as white people themselves. It is the GOP that then should introspect over why minorities 'line up'to vote for the Dems no matter what. That speaks volumes about how unpalatable the GOP is, which it would be when their President asks four Congresswomen to go back to their country and attracts at best muted criticism from the GOP.

Easy Money wrote: ^ I understand all that and I appreciate it. What others might not appreciate is that there are issues in the democratic platform that are not appealing to those who may be expected to vote democratic. As an isolated and admittedly simplified example, the feeling that abortion is immoral runs across many divides in US culture. There are a lot more issues to consider too, but thats an okay example to start with. DISCLAIMER: Just in case there is any wonder, I am in no way a republican or a member of any political party

Easy Money wrote: Wrong again, you are simplifying a group of people and ignoring their complexity by not considering the many that make triple figure incomes and prefer a republican tax structure, anti-abortionists, Zionists, law abiding gun collectors and non-law abiding gun collectors, those that think democratic social programs have weakened their community, those who are sick of the majority sticking their abortion clinics out of site in their neighborhoods as if to imply they need this service more, those opposed to the fact that abortions seems like a new way for the majority to commit genocide on their people. None of these views are my own, these are just things I hear from my friends living here in Memphis TN.

Easy Money wrote: True, but you missed my last edit. Because of many issues, like many of us, its a lesser of two evils choice thats lacking in devotion or enthusiasm.

Easy Money wrote: You ignored my offer to solve India's Muslim vs Hindu problem.

Easy Money wrote: God bless the religious kooks, they're going to need forgiveness the most.

dr wu23 wrote: SteveG wrote: Easy Money wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: I really hope no African American person has to read that post.  Thank you. If someone doesn't know much about a certain group of people, they really shouldn't be telling them how they should think or vote. Any group is far more diverse and complicated than any outsider could understand well enough to be dictating how they should feel about someone or how they should vote. Again, another sad case to vote your conscience instead of voting for the party's candidate. It is the public's trend to always rally around a leader in times of crisis, no matter who that leader is. Trump will be in that position well into the 2020 election and with Dems voting their consciences instead of voting for it's partie's candidate, he's a sure thing. This is good. When some a** kisser like Lindsey Graham runs in his place for 2024, it will be more of the same. Again, this is good too. It's only with an extended run of Republican government leadership and the resulting devastating effects on our laws and courts that might make Dems wake up to the fact that they caused their own dire situations. By that time, it will be too late and Ill be too old to care. That's a good thing too. At least for me. Well said Steve........ and  to whom it might concern,  no one is telling anyone what to do ,though apparently some self righteous people have that impression. The point was that if all Dems , white , black, yellow, green, red, -pick a color you like- don't get out and vote for the Dem candidate then we all will be stuck with Mr Drumpf again for another 4 years, but then if your social conscience and scruples are more important then by all means vote for the idiot....but then keep your mouth shut when it all goes to hell.

 yeah, the great thing about life is that you get what you deserve. Karma is king.