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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 08:34
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


I respect your stance at not being tied down to any party, but wouldn't it be better to call Trump a conservitive who happens to be a scam artist? Just saying.
In the broad sense of the word he is a conservative sure, and he has certainly been a blessing for some of the more backward parts of the conservative mind set, but compared to a Libertarian conservative, he is not part of that at all and they do not like him. Likewise, I know so many conservatives here locally that don't like him.
I do think his achilles heel is attacking his credentials as a conservative, its already a given that liberals and even most moderates don't like him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 08:40
And the Senators that back him 100% on everything? Are they libertarian Republicans?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 08:47
I honestly think you're over analyzing this. It's two things: the cash and/or the power including the cash that comes with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 08:48
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


And the Senators that back him 100% on everything? Are they libertarian conservatives?
Many are sell outs for sure, but there are have been several repubs speak out against him. Several of those decided not to seek re-election and have left politics.
But overall, yes, many senate repubs have been a major disappointment, party politics I suppose. I won't argue your point, it is valid.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 08:50
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

I honestly think you're over analyzing this.
True, I'm getting a headache (seriously)! LOL  Time to listen to some tunes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 08:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 09:44
Former reublican senator Jeff Flake would agree with Steve G's analysis and offers this challenge to repubs still in the senate:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jeff-flake-fellow-republicans-theres-still-time-to-save-your-souls/2019/09/30/ade876f6-e2d3-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 11:01
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Former reublican senator Jeff Flake would agree with Steve G's analysis and offers this challenge to repubs still in the senate:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jeff-flake-fellow-republicans-theres-still-time-to-save-your-souls/2019/09/30/ade876f6-e2d3-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html

I might add that there is precisely the same argument happening in the Conservative Party in the UK. Many libertarian conservatives here regard Boris as some form of authoritarian pan-socialist - this was actually stated by a Tory MP in Parliament yesterday.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 11:05
^ Absolutely. I'm sort of glad that mum and dad aren't still around to see this. particularly dad, he was a commie. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 11:50
My goal is that I don't want this guy to be re-elected. I don't need to say that to liberals or most moderates, so I am reaching out to the conservatives to re-consider, is this really the person you want to be president.

On local social media I am often joined by a known and respected local repub activist and former Jack Kemp aide who is great at shooting down trumpateers. His quote, "I used to be known as a moderate republican, but now everyone thinks I'm a commie socialist".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 13:42
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

didn't Trump himself say "it affects only older people"?
 I wouldn't put it beyond Trump to spread the fake news (sic!) that he is sick with Covid-19 to increase his election chances (sympathy votes) and to avoid a 2nd TV-duel
Yep he's said that quite a bit--  funny thing is, he is an "older person".   I fact he's not older, he's freakin' old.   I doubt he's faking being covid positive, but I am sure the conspiracy theories will abound about how they're trying to bump him off.

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

My goal is to undermine trump's credentials as a conservative to other conservatives. If you take away trump's fake conservative credentials, all that is left is that he is a fraud and a con artist.
When you let trump claim a conservative mantle, then you have empowered him and played into his con game.
I don't know, I doubt his staunch supporters think in those terms.   In a way, Trump is non-political in that he snubs government norms & institutions, attacks conservatives who criticize him, and does not support the military.   He is a true disruptor, and that's what his fans like.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 14:20
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

My goal is that I don't want this guy to be re-elected. I don't need to say that to liberals or most moderates, so I am reaching out to the conservatives to re-consider, is this really the person you want to be president.

On local social media I am often joined by a known and respected local repub activist and former Jack Kemp aide who is great at shooting down trumpateers. His quote, "I used to be known as a moderate republican, but now everyone thinks I'm a commie socialist".

Well I certainly wish you luck. I feel like at this point this isn't going to work. David's point above is quite right and I feel like at this point he has done enough to prove what type of a man/politician he is, and if you are comfortable with it at this point you'll be comfortable with it in a month.  but fighting the good fight is always admirable.  So best of luck with it. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 14:36
I definitely give Easy Money props and wish him luck but I can't see an extreme case like Ompha changing her tune after saying that Trump was the best thing that ever happened to this country. People like this never want to admit that they're wrong or made a mistake. The simplest thing that a person can do. But I suppose it's worth a try.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 14:51
Re David and Steve; You are right, I will not change any hardcore trumpateers, they don't care about traditional conservative values anyway. I'm just trying to reach your classic humble. polite. considerate southerner with the traditional conservative values that trump lacks, and there are still a lot of those people around here.

From my experience on the social sites around here, if you challenge trump from a knowledgeable conservative viewpoint, trumpateers tend to back off quickly. Did I change anyone's mind, maybe not, but lets just say that fights aren't won by giving up too easily. I really don't want this guy re-elected and I am doing what I can to make sure he doesn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 15:00
God bless you EM. This is a good fight.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 15:09
I can't sit back and take it easy, this guy really bugs me. I think its almost more a personality thing than a political thing, but politically he is a dangerous loose canon, so that just adds to it. I didn't like his stupid tv show either, what kind of punch-line is "you're fired", the show was insulting, I never watched it, but still hated it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 15:09
No tweets from Trump today. He must really be sick.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 15:14
I used to know a jazz guitar player from Queens that had that exact same personality, a lot of bragging and opinions, chip on the shoulder etc. Philly guys can be like that too, but not as combative.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 15:16
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

No tweets from Trump today. He must really be sick.
That is weird, I really don't wish sickness on anyone, but that does sound kind of serious. What a strange turn of events.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 15:18
Trump is on his way to Walter Reed Medical Center. He was already given an experimental drug to boost his imunity. Wtf?
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