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I think Trump is in governing mode.  He's put into law multiple bills, including a 5 year no lobbyists on Executive Branch.  I say that's a good thing.  If only Congress would pass a rule prohibiting lobbyists. 

Trump has already got several countries to pledge US investment.  Japan has already promised 50 Billion dollars.   Here is a link for those who wish to fact check.

 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/business/dealbook/donald-trump-mayayoshi-son-softbank.html?_r=0

The Stock Market is at an all time high.   That's great for American retirement accounts.  Stock Market prices are based on future optimism.  That's the way the Stock Market works.  How do I know?  I quit my Day Job 17 years ago to go full time trading the stock market.    


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quote of the week.. as our President escaped Washington to his first reelection rally...

“There’s a campaign mode and there’s a governing mode. So far, we haven’t gotten to the governing mode," said Idaho Rep. Mike Simpson. “You often say to those that lose an election and can’t get over it, and you’ve heard him say to the Clinton supporter, ‘You lost, get over it!’ This is the first I’ve ever had to say to somebody, ‘You won, get over it!’ He just can’t let it go.”
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lmao...

America.. get to know your 25th Amendment... perhaps coming soon to a history book near you.


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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by twseel twseel wrote:

My English must be worse than I thought... It's a great thread, and that's why I don't wanna fill with this useless discussion about what 'mob mentality' means. You know full wel what I meant to say, and I still don't really understand how my usage was incorrect but I have rephrased it and exemplified it and I would prefer it that you get off my back about it and instead respond to actual discussion points rather than semantic issues.
My English is not too brisk either. Just ask Dean and I'm sure he could count the ways.
 
Let's chalk this up to mutual miscommunication and I'll even throw in an apology to help us move on. Agreed?
Sure, apologies.
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Sounds as if the GOP is in the position of Goethe's "Sorcerer's Apprentice":

"Ach, da ist der Meister!
Herr, die Not ist groß!
Die ich rief, die Geister,
Werd ich nun nicht los"

In my translation:

"Ah, there is the Master!
Lord, the need is dire!
Ghosts I called as caster
Now just won't retire".

They called Trump, and now they can't get rid of him


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Saw this in CNN this morning and it sums things up:

"The people that love him will love him more, the people that hate him will hate him more and the people in the middle probably will look at it the way that we look at in Congress, which is that's just the new normal. That's just the s*** that happens. I don't know how else to manage it," said one Republican lawmaker after Trump's press conference. "We're just trying to manage this s***."
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Originally posted by twseel twseel wrote:

My English must be worse than I thought... It's a great thread, and that's why I don't wanna fill with this useless discussion about what 'mob mentality' means. You know full wel what I meant to say, and I still don't really understand how my usage was incorrect but I have rephrased it and exemplified it and I would prefer it that you get off my back about it and instead respond to actual discussion points rather than semantic issues.
My English is not too brisk either. Just ask Dean and I'm sure he could count the ways.
 
Let's chalk this up to mutual miscommunication and I'll even throw in an apology to help us move on. Agreed?


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My English must be worse than I thought... It's a great thread, and that's why I don't wanna fill with this useless discussion about what 'mob mentality' means. You know full wel what I meant to say, and I still don't really understand how my usage was incorrect but I have rephrased it and exemplified it and I would prefer it that you get off my back about it and instead respond to actual discussion points rather than semantic issues.
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I love the thread. It's some of the annoying ''I must have the last word" posts that bother me. If you can't grasp that, then feel free to check out anytime.



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Well, why do you come on the thread if you don't like the thread? I don't get it  Getting back to the thread. Looks like Don is just going to become a one man government.
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Heck I don't know, I'm no native speaker and I'm just trying to say they have their mind set to banding together as 'the people' to focus on a common enimy, I thought mob mentality was a good term for that, I looked it up and yes, it seems like it's not semantically wrong to use there, I don't know exactly if it has a positive or negative connotation or stuff like that, I even tried to clarify what I meant in others words in other posts... I don't  wanna have this discussion either, that's why I closed the post you're quoting with 'Anyhow, I think the point is clear.'
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Originally posted by twseel twseel wrote:

wiki: Herd mentality, or mob mentality, describes how people are influenced by their peers to adopt certain behaviors. Examples of the herd mentality include stock market trends, superstition and home décor. Social psychologists study the related topics of group intelligence, crowd wisdom, and decentralized decision making.
Anyhow, I think the point is clear.
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I'm quite tired of this inane discussion. If it's your prerogative to conflate Mob Mentality, pictured above, that is prevalent in all societies, with Mob Rules and Mob Violence, you are free to continue. Or you could actually study sociology in depth and learn the differences instead of posting some catchall nonsense definition from wiki. Your choice.
 
 


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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ You know Americans; gotta have change... CHANGE!   But people forget change can be as destructive as helpful.


oh, they got change. threw a few hundred bucks away and got some change back


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^ Oh his whole "fake news/lying media" thing is probably going over very well.   The irony is that he's largely correct.   But if he screws up big time, it's gonna be yooj .
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."   -- John F. Kennedy
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Yeah...the irony is not lost on me Trump is bashing leaks, when he had no issue at all with leaks before when it was against Clinton/DNC. Oi.... I swear, I think part of his appeal is people know he's full of sh*t and lying, but he's so blatant with it, he tries so little to hide it,  I think some find it "refreshing"

No doubt Mick, the 40+% of eligible voters, those who voted to be edgy/on overly idealistic lines, (and the poor blue collar workers who probably meant well honestly) will all be kicking thesmelves for a while. I also hope that is one of many lessons to come from this: people take their right to vote more seriously.

That's the thing now, I haven't actually seen Trump voters backtracking/openly regretting their pick anywhere. I mean, they're probably out there somewhere, but, like I said, most actually wanted to punish the government, shake things up vaguely in their direction as a firm display of power, and that's still what they're getting. Bitter, fiery working class who despise the smug suburban/coastal middle class and shall willingly refuse to cooperate with them or come to terms with their reign, whatever it implies.
You would very likely be correct to say that if more people had cared to go out and vote, Trump would have never come close to winning, but having 50 million people in your country going out of their way to get Donald f**king Trump elected there's already something terribly wrong with the type of 'political involvement' they're dealing in. Like people said months ago, it's almost like a game show, and so many getting newly involved basically thought 'why didn't I look into politics before, it's very entertaining and fun!'
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Well, Trump has learned a lesson (lol excuse me I mean Pence/Priebus have learned a lesson) in not going so hard line. The new nominee for Sect of Labor is Alexander Acosta, a Hispanic actually has quite a good list of credentials including some actually related to the position he's been nominated for (With Trump is, clearly, not always the case). Looking into his record ...doesn't seem so awful. I mean I'm sure he's conservative and probably leans anti labor, but dare I say it's a qualified sane pick that seems to have no reason to be opposed. 
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Yeah...the irony is not lost on me Trump is bashing leaks, when he had no issue at all with leaks before when it was against Clinton/DNC. Oi.... I swear, I think part of his appeal is people know he's full of sh*t and lying, but he's so blatant with it, he tries so little to hide it,  I think some find it "refreshing"

No doubt Mick, the 40+% of eligible voters, those who voted to be edgy/on overly idealistic lines, (and the poor blue collar workers who probably meant well honestly) will all be kicking thesmelves for a while. I also hope that is one of many lessons to come from this: people take their right to vote more seriously.


Yeah it's kinda scary how SNL, even the Onion, isn't even satire now. Seriously, I'll read Onion articles and think "this is basically reporting the news"LOL This is life nowCry
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Alec Baldwin could go on SNL, quote Trump word for word from the press conference today, and it would come across as over the top parody. Then Trump could criticize SNL for being mean for using his own words against him.
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not to mention forgetting the economic and foreign wreckage the last completely unsuited to the job Republican President we elected brought upon the country.  You can forgive them for that one, who really expected Darth Cheney to rule in his stead with him giving Dubya pacifiers to quietly suck on during important meetings LOL.. but there was no excuse for Trump voters. The evidence was there .. all you had to do was open your eyes.

Ignorance and amnesia. the recipe for Trump 2016. Thumbs Up


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^ You know Americans; gotta have change... CHANGE!   But people forget change can be as destructive as helpful.
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."   -- John F. Kennedy
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