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Posted: March 02 2018 at 02:23
Mortte wrote:
Never listened Flash, because Iīve read about that they never rised into level of Yes.
so because you just read that, you never tried listening to them. Are other people's opinion so important that you won't make your own, see things for yourself?
I'm quite the opposite of that. I just have that curiosity to see things for myself. Even with low rated album, I'm thinking "how bad can it be?". Sometimes it is bad, but other times quite the opposite (LOL).
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 12:11
^ Yeah, but when you are discovering music, you can't listen to everything that exists all at once, so you have to choose were to go next and what to dedicate your time, and money, into. So, if you read something is not good, and you believe it, well, why wast your time? Or at least you may leave it for later and go with something that seems more appealing at the moment. And yeah, it has even happened to me that I read negative reviews of something and I go like, well, it sounds like the things this guy dislikes of that album are just the ones I would like, and makes me want to check it out instead of discouraging me.
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 14:38
Dellinger wrote:
^ Yeah, but when you are discovering music, you can't listen to everything that exists all at once, so you have to choose were to go next and what to dedicate your time, and money, into. So, if you read something is not good, and you believe it, well, why wast your time? Or at least you may leave it for later and go with something that seems more appealing at the moment. And yeah, it has even happened to me that I read negative reviews of something and I go like, well, it sounds like the things this guy dislikes of that album are just the ones I would like, and makes me want to check it out instead of discouraging me.
I am thinking quite like this. Just havenīt got time to check out everything, because there are just so much interesting music in the world. Also, really havenīt anybody even here said Flash is something everybody should check. But of course, found out great music accidentally and also some albums, that some reviewer hasnīt found great...
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 18:21
I prefer Daredevil Jokes aside, Flash is kind of "meh". I like Starcastle way more, so there's that.
About Rolling Stone magazine (and Banks) calling Yes "show-offs that do things to impress people", well, that's much better than being lazy f*cks and playing half-assed music. Technique/skills and feels are not polar opposites, it's not one or the other. Yes displayed both, without a doubt.
Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 21:22
Mortte wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
^ Yeah, but when you are discovering music, you can't listen to everything that exists all at once, so you have to choose were to go next and what to dedicate your time, and money, into. So, if you read something is not good, and you believe it, well, why wast your time? Or at least you may leave it for later and go with something that seems more appealing at the moment. And yeah, it has even happened to me that I read negative reviews of something and I go like, well, it sounds like the things this guy dislikes of that album are just the ones I would like, and makes me want to check it out instead of discouraging me.
I am thinking quite like this. Just havenīt got time to check out everything, because there are just so much interesting music in the world. Also, really havenīt anybody even here said Flash is something everybody should check. But of course, found out great music accidentally and also some albums, that some reviewer hasnīt found great...
For what it's worth, I found the first Flash album at least worth knowing. The two songs I liked better were "Small Beginnings", and then "Dreams of Heaven". You should at least give a good listen to the first one.
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 23:46
Dellinger wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
^ Yeah, but when you are discovering music, you can't listen to everything that exists all at once, so you have to choose were to go next and what to dedicate your time, and money, into. So, if you read something is not good, and you believe it, well, why wast your time? Or at least you may leave it for later and go with something that seems more appealing at the moment. And yeah, it has even happened to me that I read negative reviews of something and I go like, well, it sounds like the things this guy dislikes of that album are just the ones I would like, and makes me want to check it out instead of discouraging me.
I am thinking quite like this. Just havenīt got time to check out everything, because there are just so much interesting music in the world. Also, really havenīt anybody even here said Flash is something everybody should check. But of course, found out great music accidentally and also some albums, that some reviewer hasnīt found great...
For what it's worth, I found the first Flash album at least worth knowing. The two songs I liked better were "Small Beginnings", and then "Dreams of Heaven". You should at least give a good listen to the first one.
So many albums that Iīve never listened and wanted to listen. Maybe Flash in my 60th birthday?
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Posted: March 03 2018 at 00:33
Mortte wrote:
Never listened Flash, because Iīve read about that they never rised into level of Yes.
Here, give them a try! This is original bassist Ray Bennett on 6-string guitar, and original vocalist Colin Carter, with a really good group of musicians. Keep in mind, this was their first rehearsal together! I think this is a fine rendition of a spirited song.
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Posted: March 03 2018 at 02:54
miamiscot wrote:
Love those first two Flash albums. Great stuff. Kaye should have stuck around...
They're OK, and I also feel that Kaye should've stuck around to make the later albums more interesting, but in some ways, I think he did good not to overstay his welcome in Flash...
I'm currently in the process of reading Aymeric Leroy's book on Yes (in French), Banks seems/seemed to be a permanent grouch and a fairly disgruntled individual ... I can understand getting the boot from Yes can make you a sourpuss, but it wasn't only his guitar abilities that seemed to be a concern for Jon & Chris, but he was already misbehaving during the the T&aW sessions (he's rumoured to have stuck his guitar in the producer Coulton's face - a professional acquaintance of Jon) when the dude was trying to get something Jimmy-Page-esque out of Banks.
Banks has had bad relations with Yes (mainly Squire) right from the start, whereas Kaye didn't, maybe one of the resons why he was invited back. Maybe if Kaye had stuck around in Flash, this might've developped in worse relations with Yes than he's had since.
BTW: Banks apparently showed up with his guitar without being invited at the Onion Union reformation concert in the early 90's, and Squire shoo-ed him away.
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Posted: March 03 2018 at 11:53
Sean Trane wrote:
miamiscot wrote:
Love those first two Flash albums. Great stuff. Kaye should have stuck around...
BTW: Banks apparently showed up with his guitar without being invited at the Onion Union reformation concert in the early 90's, and Squire shoo-ed him away.
This is controversial, I know of one person who claims to have known Banks and Yes, and he says that it was Howe who pulled the plug on Banks appearing at a Los Angeles appearance.
Peter had a sorry history, with many friends and bandmates turning on him. He died a lonely death in his London flat, leaving behind quite a bit of unreleased material.
Flash was an early proponent of the "jam band" formula, pioneered by the Grateful Dead and later refined by bands such as Phish. This is one of my favorite songs by them, from their second LP, "Flash In The Can." Bassist Ray Bennett is excellent on Rickenbacker bass!
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Posted: March 03 2018 at 15:28
Straight from the horse's mouthhere's a very candid, informal conversation with Ray and Colin at the start of the reunion in 2010 in which they discuss a bit of their history with Pete and Mike, and how they approach music and feel about the label 'progrock'.
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