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    Posted: April 08 2017 at 13:50
Typically attempt to be hip by the BBC.

Yes hardly merit a mention, yet a crappy rapper gets a whole paragraph.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39537967
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lazland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2017 at 14:35
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Typically attempt to be hip by the BBC.

Yes hardly merit a mention, yet a crappy rapper gets a whole paragraph.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39537967


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I doubt any reporter/magazine wants to feature a band with guys that just finished filming Dawn of the Dead....

Plus Tupak has a mystery about his life and his pics are easier on the eyes...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mechanicalflattery Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2017 at 15:36
Face it, that "crappy rapper" is more famous and renowned than Yes. Should he be? Eh, probably not. Who knows? Better yet, who cares? I'm sure at least once Yes has been criticized for overshadowing the "true" musical greats. Live and let live. Most importantly, don't expect mainstream journalism to have worthwhile opinions on art. 

How many Tupac songs have any of us actually listened to anyway?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Upbeat Tango Monday Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2017 at 15:54
Well...have you guys read this sh*t???

http://nypost.com/2017/04/08/best-and-worst-moments-of-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-induction/

Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2017 at 16:41
Why is it sh*t? If Wakeman made some idiotic remarks/jokes that nobody laughed on, he deserved to be ragged on. 
Why not take a more humble approach and discuss the history of their music and be appreciative of the fan base that has kept them alive well beyond their time.

Wakeman cannot believe that the music industry actually likes prog....they never did!

Too bad Steve Perry did not perform with Journey....


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Seems odd that the BBC hardly mentioned the 2 British inductees.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Seems odd that the BBC hardly mentioned the 2 British inductees.

They were paid off by the rappers...LOL


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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Yes hardly merit a mention, yet a crappy rapper gets a whole paragraph.
"Crappy rapper"? Oh please.. As much as I love Yes, that "crappy rapper" has had an impact exceeding by far the musical level. Yes is certainly better musically but in the end, rap is poetry not music. His message indirectly started a social and political revolution and forever changed the image of the African-American community. There is not 10 people in this world who can claim having had a more significant impact on the world since the '90s than Tupac.

But some people are unfortunately too closed-minded to understand that not all rap is just about violence, money and sex just as not all rock is like ACDC. You're in the Neo-prog team, that may explain it all. Stick to Marillion Wink.
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Wait, you actually care about the rockn'roll hall of fame? LOL
Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatfabulousalien Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2017 at 18:28
But neither 2pac or Yes should go in there.

2pac was a good performer and lyricist, you don't need to be elitist about that too, at least his messages where more counterintuitive and socially important than Yes' hippie messages (however lovely they where). 

I'm just speaking from perspective here though, I occupy a great deal of my life with classical music than either hip hop or prog, so my biases are more or less unprejudiced. 

I've heard all their studio albums over the years (Yes and 2Pac), if that means anything.
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Originally posted by Upbeat Tango Monday Upbeat Tango Monday wrote:

Well...have you guys read this sh*t???

http://nypost.com/2017/04/08/best-and-worst-moments-of-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-induction/


BWAHAHAHAHAHA LOL

Originally posted by Some garbage journalist Some garbage journalist wrote:


"There’s no amount of nostalgia or reassessment that can make the inane noodling and rampant pomposity of songs such as “Roundabout” and “Owner of a Lonely Heart” any less palatable."


Absolutely lost it there. God help us if we ever have to succumb to the overbearing complexity of 90125...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stewe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2017 at 20:34
Merely another reflection of the "western" society and mass media promotion of today's values. Crapper above Yes, trans-gender above family, decadence above enlightenment, disgusting above beautiful, barbarism above civilization. On the same wave with the false-flag chemical attack and Trump's war alongside ISIS/Al-Qaeda, against Syrian secular state.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mechanicalflattery Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2017 at 20:39
Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:


Originally posted by Some garbage journalist Some garbage journalist wrote:


"There’s no amount of nostalgia or reassessment that can make the inane noodling and rampant pomposity of songs such as “Roundabout” and “Owner of a Lonely Heart” any less palatable."


Absolutely lost it there. God help us if we ever have to succumb to the overbearing complexity of 90125...

The same journalist wrote an article extolling the virtues of the latest Iggy Azalea song (respectably titled "Mo Bounce"), so I don't think we have to worry much about his opinion. 

Originally posted by stewe stewe wrote:

Merely another reflection of the "western" society and mass media promotion of today's values. Crapper above Yes, trans-gender above family, decadence above enlightenment, disgusting above beautiful, barbarism above civilization. On the same wave with the false-flag chemical attack and Trump's war alongside ISIS/Al-Qaeda, against Syrian secular state.

Well that got weird fast...
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You know you Proggers can come out about your closet love of rap, it's not that scary once your open Tongue
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I have closed myself to pop and mainstream music for over 10 years, mainly heeding the advice of Prog Archives to search for my new music... and I don't regret it, I'm sure I have found much more music to love this way. Actually, I have never been able to take radio, I just go nuts if I don't have my own music available. However, the thing is, I had never heard about this Tupac guy, nor his music, so for me he is more obscure than the usual prog suspects. Still, in the last few years I have had to listen to some mainstream music (in the gym), plus I have tried to check out the top songs via YouTube... I'm glad to say I can barely find anything worthwhile... and for whatever rap I have been exposed to, I just can't get to like it, though I can stand it a bit more. So far, the only rap song I can really say I like is "Gangsta's Paradise", since the 90's. Oh yeah, and some songs with samples of non rap songs, but then, the original is much better to get, and I can get to hear the good part of the song without the crappy rap parts. Some of those metal things with some rap can be good for me too, though.
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Oh yeah, and I still don't understand why the ROCK 'N ROLL hall of fame has to induct rappers. That's not their genre. Tupac may be more famous than Yes (for other people, as I said, I had never heard about him), but he is not rock.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2017 at 21:59
Tupac's more famous for his murder than his music, I daresay.

Here's a trailer for the successful 2002 documentary Biggie & Tupac:

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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Oh yeah, and I still don't understand why the ROCK 'N ROLL hall of fame has to induct rappers. That's not their genre. Tupac may be more famous than Yes (for other people, as I said, I had never heard about him), but he is not rock.


Because it is a political show. Who knows, maybe Yes will be inducted into Hip Hop Hall of Fame in Manhattan one day.
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On the bright side... you got to see Geddy Lee with Yes. Got a rap from Rush. Or rather, another rap from Rush.

It was Yes was it not? Different (sic) singer, guest bassist and all...

Bit confused as to which Yes is what right now. Oh well it was interesting too see Wakeman's sense of occasion. He's a bit like the Trump of prog - best on twitter...

Oh and if anyone wants me to up date my taste an listen to rap let me know when there is some music to go with it. Though I too liked Gangsta's Paradise...

The whole point of rap was to differentiate itself socially and musically from white rock. It did and most fusions have been limited in many ways.






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