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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stewe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2017 at 23:11
Originally posted by mechanicalflattery mechanicalflattery wrote:


Originally posted by stewe stewe wrote:

Merely another reflection of the "western" society and mass media promotion of today's values....

Well that got weird fast...


There's common denominator for all those mentioned things - media. CNN, BBC, NYPost and their aim to shape consumer's way of thinking and perception, telling what he is supposed to like, forcing him what to think, what is right, without questioning it. For those who don't buy that, media induce a feeling of marginalization, stating that you're stinking prog-dinosaur from the Stone age, Russian agent, intolerant, racist and rogue... It's a complex thing that works the same on every level - from education to entertainment, from promoting war to promoting certain "culture".

On the other hand, those articles put aside, we could see Geddy Lee sharing the stage with reunited Yes still in the year 2017 - playing Roundabout together. I believe that is a fulfillment of one of few unreal dreams for many musicians and (prog) rock lovers. So it still can be worse:)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mascodagama Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2017 at 02:30
Originally posted by stewe stewe wrote:

Originally posted by mechanicalflattery mechanicalflattery wrote:


Originally posted by stewe stewe wrote:

Merely another reflection of the "western" society and mass media promotion of today's values....

Well that got weird fast...


There's common denominator for all those mentioned things - media. CNN, BBC, NYPost and their aim to shape consumer's way of thinking and perception, telling what he is supposed to like, forcing him what to think, what is right, without questioning it. For those who don't buy that, media induce a feeling of marginalization, stating that you're stinking prog-dinosaur from the Stone age, Russian agent, intolerant, racist and rogue... It's a complex thing that works the same on every level - from education to entertainment, from promoting war to promoting certain "culture".

On the other hand, those articles put aside, we could see Geddy Lee sharing the stage with reunited Yes still in the year 2017 - playing Roundabout together. I believe that is a fulfillment of one of few unreal dreams for many musicians and (prog) rock lovers. So it still can be worse:)

Thanks. Your post was just like a red pill that has opened my eyes to the true state of the world. I'm gonna sell all my transgender rap albums on eBay and send the money to Breitbart. It's such a relief now that my brain isn't being literally forced to think I'm a racist prog dinosaur by those decadent b*****ds at the BBC.

I do stink though, they were right about that.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2017 at 03:03

Genres are only labels. Contaminatios are good.





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2017 at 08:20
Originally posted by stewe stewe wrote:

Merely another reflection of the "western" society and mass media promotion of today's values. Crapper above Yes, trans-gender above family, decadence above enlightenment, disgusting above beautiful, barbarism above civilization. On the same wave with the false-flag chemical attack and Trump's war alongside ISIS/Al-Qaeda, against Syrian secular state.

Huh? Confused

I am sure you have point in here somewhere.....But this is a music website, I get enough of that krapp when watching the Oscars, Grammy's and such.....


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2017 at 09:05
The bigger question is did Tupac show up to give his acceptance speech? :) 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2017 at 09:11
As many have already expressed, do not expect the media to give it's support to any progressive band. They've not done it for decades, and certainly will not do it now.
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Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:


Oh and if anyone wants me to up date my taste an listen to rap let me know when there is some music to go with it. Though I too liked Gangsta's Paradise...
There's so much great stuff out there, you just have to look beyond the most popular artists to find the real gems as it's the case with pretty much all genres. I'm by no means a big rap fan but I used to be and still need my dose once in a while. "Gangta's Paradise" is a real cheap rap track, only the Stevie Wonder sample makes it any good..

Here's some great stuff that will hopefully get you past your biases:

Weak lyricism but great prod 
Great lyricism, basic prod

That first verse...

One of the best representations of '90s hip-hop

And recently some jazz acts have paired with rappers for really interesting output



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Don't give a damn if mainstream media hates Yes---I would expect it---although there are some super cool peeps that love them---my main take away from the video of hall of fame---is Rick went on too long and there wasn't enough time for Squire's wife to say thank you----and my dream of a classic line up one more time---isn;t going to happen---it;s was clear how much the important people in Yes---at least the ones I think are important--- hate each other. Sad.Cry
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2017 at 21:47
ahem...
Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

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I didn't know Marillion's keyboard player was also a referee. Tongue
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This is what you probably think all rap sounds like:



Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.

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I've heard a lot of rap. That's not entirely my fault. But if nearly 100% of what I hear has, shall we say, limited personal appeal, then I can waste my time (as opposed to having my time wasted) with Bruckner or Black Sabbath. Or ELO at the moment...

I know it's the message not the medium.

Speaking of the media and all that... why is it that they don't like prog rock again...? Sincerely, I thought It was now a trendy pop fashion and the hacks want to leap aboard the band wagon.

Not to worry, I can decide between listening to Art Zoyd or Steve Hackett (later) without being told...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jeffro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2017 at 05:09
Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

Wait, you actually care about the rockn'roll hall of fame? LOL

Yeah, that's the more important question.
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Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

You know you Proggers can come out about your closet love of rap, it's not that scary once your open Tongue

Well, I do like I'm The Man by Anthrax 
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Originally posted by Larkstongue41 Larkstongue41 wrote:

And recently some jazz acts have paired with rappers for really interesting output




hey, someone who likes good hip hop :) nice picks

I did a remix of a ghostface track from 12 reasons to die. in the 2nd half of the track I sampled a bit from National Health - Dreams Wide Awake. you might like it https://m.soundcloud.com/spellcheque/ghostface-killah-the-sure-shot-parts-12-sharks-remix

as for tupac, I never really liked his voice for some reason... kind of boring imo.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I didn't know Marillion's keyboard player was also a referee. Tongue

Nobody makes money making only prog music.........LOL


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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


Genres are only labels. Contaminatios are good.






I thought that was an abomination in 1986 and I still do LOL Yes, I'm an elitist.


Edited by Jeffro - April 10 2017 at 09:28
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Originally posted by thebeastmustdie thebeastmustdie wrote:

Originally posted by Larkstongue41 Larkstongue41 wrote:

And recently some jazz acts have paired with rappers for really interesting output




hey, someone who likes good hip hop :) nice picks

I did a remix of a ghostface track from 12 reasons to die. in the 2nd half of the track I sampled a bit from National Health - Dreams Wide Awake. you might like it https://m.soundcloud.com/spellcheque/ghostface-killah-the-sure-shot-parts-12-sharks-remix

as for tupac, I never really liked his voice for some reason... kind of boring imo.

Well done ! Most people are more social than music oriented, hence the better response to rap genre.

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I agree with The Roots being pretty great.  The whole Jazz Rap thing isn't necessarily a new development though.  That stuff has been around since the late 80s


Here's a short list of hip hop artists I think would be worth the time to anyone looking for some good stuff with substance.

Sims
The Cunninglynguists
El-P
Busdriver
Open Mike Eagle
Death Grips
Dalek
Tonedeff
Dessa
Shabazz Palaces


As with any genre of music, once you start digging, you'll find the really creative and "progressive" stuff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Upbeat Tango Monday Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2017 at 11:43
Rappers have hijacked the archives =(
I'll never like rap, let me tell you why

You just sample a song
then add in some vocals
spewing words real fast
to impress the locals

the beat doesn't change
metrical rhythm is clear
no moog solos in range,
nor violins, I fear
Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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