Why is Rush...

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Luke wrote: Trouserpress wrote: Yes, some of those examples may be cheesey (but sorry, I can't agree with you about Wyatt or Henry Cow being remotely cheesey) but what about the many others you ignored? Of them I'd say that the following are all far from being cheesey: Area - Crac! Alamaailman Vasarat - Vasaraasia Taal - Skymind Ruins - Symphonica Samla Mammas Manna - Maltid Carnascialia - S/t Absolute Zero - Crashing Icons Matching Mole - S/t Gentle Giant - Interview Hatfield and the North - S/t Dun - Eros Those are all fine examples of completely un-cheesed prog and I could give you 100s more.  but give examples of not queesy QUALITY prog. Sorry, but weren't you the guy who included Queensryche - Hear in the Now Frontier in his top 10 prog metal list? Don't talk about quality then.

see you don't know what i mean by quality, quality isn't when something is complex but quality of record is when it has guts. it can be complex or not.

I actually like Geddy's voice.  And I love Rush, I have since I was little.  I can thank Neil Peart for my venture into drumming.  Alex and Geddy are incredibly talented players and composers.  However, there's one thing I don't understand.  Look at Rush's entire output, and look at Genesis' entire output.  Genesis has far more cheese, and they can't play as good as Rush.

blunt wrote: Heptade wrote: People would rather sl*g things off than talk about things they like. It's human nature. We're all guilty of it. Man i would disagree. This a prog metal forum. I like Rush but hey like that human nature thing you talk of it is a rather vague concept. I criticise stuff at times and praise other stuff. I don't think we "rather" do anything. We just react and do it. Sometimes its sl*gging off sometimes its not. Geez this sounds like a Neil Peart lyric................

This is NOT a prog metal forum.This is a forum for progressive music in general,what ever gave you the idea that this was a prog metal forum?

Retrovertigo wrote: I actually like Geddy's voice.  And I love Rush, I have since I was little.  I can thank Neil Peart for my venture into drumming.  Alex and Geddy are incredibly talented players and composers.  However, there's one thing I don't understand.  Look at Rush's entire output, and look at Genesis' entire output.  Genesis has far more cheese, and they can't play as good as Rush.

Yeah, from a "prog" perspective, they've put out alot more consistent material.  I mean, they got very synth heavy in the 80's, but they never went the route that Genesis did.  And  even if I ever considered Rush "cheesy" or "nerdy" was back on Caress of Steel up to Hemishperes.

I love Rush...great people, great musicians....dont understand any animosity towards them. The recent story in the 'Mojo prog special' about them dressed up as the 'Cleaver family' in a hotel doing scenes from a TV show to Thin Lizzy in 1976 cleared up any fears that they thought of themselves too highly!

In the end (no pun intended) it is ALL up to peoples different tastes....hey, isnt that what this forum is for???!!

Trouserpress wrote: bartok wrote: I'm just looking at the albums in your sig, but a lot of those bands seem pretty cheesy to me (Magma (so Wagnerian it's silly but they're actually very serious), Focus (yodeling hard rock)?, Jethro Tull (aor prog?), Henry Cow (so you want to be avant-garde?), even Robert Wyatt, as much I love it, sometimes sounds like Wesley Willis with his keyboard playing.  I'm not disputing that Rush is capable of cheese, but I frankly can't think of prog band that's an exception. Yes, some of those examples may be cheesey (but sorry, I can't agree with you about Wyatt or Henry Cow being remotely cheesey) but what about the many others you ignored? Of them I'd say that the following are all far from being cheesey: Area - Crac! Alamaailman Vasarat - Vasaraasia Taal - Skymind Ruins - Symphonica Samla Mammas Manna - Maltid Carnascialia - S/t Absolute Zero - Crashing Icons Matching Mole - S/t Gentle Giant - Interview Hatfield and the North - S/t Dun - Eros Those are all fine examples of completely un-cheesed prog and I could give you 100s more.

I didn't comment on them because I don't know them.  I don't have "Interview", but I have 7 other Gentle Giant albums, and I think they are a great band, but quite capable of cheese.  "Renaissance Fair" much?

Hatfield & the North - I have this album coming in the mail, but don't have it yet.  I like "The Rotter's Club" a lot, but it's not "cheese"-free either - what about that keyboard solo right in the first track?

And man, that sample of Taal in the archives ("Coornibus"), is shamelessly cheesy in that "Trans-Siberian Orchestra" way.

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I love Rush, but that early Genesis is SO good.

I hate this thread, to much "cheese " talk. For some reason I have a problem with this hideous description, maybe its because its an Americanism! I dunno, I can't read it or hear it without wincing.

Luke wrote: Snow Dog wrote: I hate this thread, to much "cheese " talk. For some reason I have a problem with this hideous description, maybe its because its an Americanism! I dunno, I can't read it or hear it without wincing. you don't like also "not chees" talk, if it was on me i'd delete this topic but i must admit that it'd be stupid cos everyone has right to post anything

No, everyone does not have the right to post anything.

Maybe Queen is also not prog because they have too many cheesy songs:

• Good old fashioned loverboy
• Some parts of Don't stop me now
• Lazing on a Sunday afternoon
• Some parts of The millionaire waltz

I think there are even more examples and I think it even contributed to the succes of Queen...

Wanna hear a real cheesy album that's cheesy in it's entirety...Cruising with Ruben & the Jets from Frank Zappa is a good one...

Irony in a cheesy song can sometimes make it good again...

I can stand it as long as it's not worse than Bryan Hyland's Itsy beetsy teeny weeny yellow polcadot bikini or Helen Shapiro's Walking back to hapiness...man do I hate those songs (0/10).

Rush is still on my list...I can say nothing about them...