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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 07:25
^^^ I gave enough of my time reading the title and paragraph on the first post.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 07:40

He rejects a whole genre, disses its classic era and calls it terrible because pretentious. It may be pretentious at times, but certainly not more than the narcissistic, attention-seeking pop/rap/r&b louts.   

 And if by pretentious he means offbeat, unconventional and innovative, then yes that's rock, not meant for everyone's tastes.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 08:19
I wouldn't expect any better of the National Review.
More heavy prog, please!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 08:21
Hi,

I sincerely doubt that the guy EVER heard any music and his appreciation is strictly for the top ten ... huhhhh ... did you see the cartoon with the red kisses this morning?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 11:24
OP here, thanks for the comments! 

This twit also says:

Punk and disco and country-rock and metal shoved prog rock into the remainder bins. 

LOLLOLLOLLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 12:08
I actually got a copy of TAAB from a bargain bin at Zellers back in '77 or '78. I remember getting Muscle of Love by Alice Cooper from the same bin. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 14:31
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Good Lord, another journalist piles it on!
... <National Review article excerpt />


Yyyeah, NR is kind of conservative, staid.  Prog is progressive, creative. Need I say more?

The columnist is somewhat celebrating the genre in the process of deriding it, whether he realizes it or not.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 14:48
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Terrible article. If he doesn't understand nor know enough the genre, then he shouldn't write about it.
Agreed. He seems to be a typical music critic, with their air of superiority, trashing what they cannot understand/appreciate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 15:21
I think the article refers to "sustained popularity" - if this is the main criterion for success then so be it...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 15:21
Well...it's a right wing conservative mag........somehow that doesn't surprise me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 16:41
Nearly every genre of rock wore outlandish outfits in the 70s. Elton John anyone? David Bowie? New York Dolls? Alice Cooper and Marc Bolan accounted for 50% of the mascara sales in 1972.

P.S. Throw in Queen, Kiss and Mott the Hoople as well!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 16:42
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

OP here, thanks for the comments! 

This twit also says:

Punk and disco and country-rock and metal shoved prog rock into the remainder bins. 

LOLLOLLOLLOL

Although this guy was writing from a point of dissing prog, he does have a point about this one. Those genres did usurp its throne and kept it subdued to the underworld for a good 20 years before it made a comeback. A lot of lucky prog lovers found obscure classics in the bargain bins that are worth quite a bit these days. 

However, if prog is so dead. Why did Gentle Giant's Octopus hit the top 40 album sales last year? I would argue that the world has finally caught up to what was going on in the 70s. Even teenagers love this stuff now

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2017 at 23:50
Everything's available now, we don't have to be dragged along behind the latest new craze but can explore in any direction we fancy Smile.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 04:16
Yes turned to hard rock...LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 06:55
And thanks to the ratings and reviews on Prog Archives there are some things we never have to hear at all LOL.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 09:39
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Yes turned to hard rock...LOL


Yeah, dude, I bang my head to Owner of a Lonely Heart. So heavy! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 10:10
It's painful to see how people writes without knowing

Quote To back up a performance of Yes keyboardist Rick Wakeman’s song suite about the Knights of the Round Table at an outdoor venue, combatants were to take the stage in medieval costume to enact a battle sequence. But so icy was the stage that the knights had to be played by ice skaters, who wore fake horse’s heads on their chests.


FALSE: Rick was forced to play in ice or not play at all, because the Wembley Arena had been rented to Hollyday on Ice despite having a contract with Rick.

He just had a heart attack and was broken, he need the money for his family

Quote Progressive-rock keyboardist Keith Emerson once found himself pinned to the stage when his giant Hammond organ fell over on top of him as he was playing it during a concert.



FALSE: His Hammond wasn't particularly big, by the contrary, was quite small and light weighted

 


This idiot probably saw this photo:


Keith used to do this in every concert to play the keyboard backwards.

They could at least inform themselves before they write


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 10:21
Yes, but its almost like politics, Ivan. This idiot is writing for an audience that wants to hear prog being trashed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 10:50
It really all came down to practicality, marketing and the almighty dollar. Yes, Tull, ELP, Genesis and even Floyd were releasing either whole albums without a break or records with 10+ minute opuses on either side. The record industry at the time preferred the marketability of singles (and still do), and the late 70s saw the abandonment of rebel progressive FM outlets playing whole album sides and "headphones only" hours due to a consolidation of radio stations under corporate control. 

Prog was literally formatted to death on radio, giving rise to "classic rock" stations playing just the hits from the big rock bands at the time. I remember clearly in Detroit (a mecca of progressive radio in the late 60s up to the mid-70s) we lost 3 important prog stations, WABX, WWWW and CJOM by the mid-to-late 70s, one disappearing altogether, another changing to Country-Western format, and another adopting a classic rock format. We used to mock the station's call letters, WLLZ, which we called "Whole Lotta Led Zeppelin". A fourth station WRIF, left prog for all intents and purposes and adopted more of a heavy metal format by 1980.

Taken in context, by 1980 there were fewer and fewer stations playing progressive rock (unless it was Yes's Roundabout, Tull's Aqualung or Genesis' sappy Follow You, Follow Me); add in MTV's reliance on new wave and pop crap (or big-haired metal bands later at night), there was nothing left of progressivity; at least, from a profitability standpoint. Hence Yes, Tull, Genesis and other prog bands simply tried to change with the times, and to be charitable, with mixed results.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2017 at 10:55
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Yes, but its almost like politics, Ivan. This idiot is writing for an audience that wants to hear prog being trashed.

I replied that same post in a softer tone.

They deleted it. LOL
            
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