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    Posted: August 12 2018 at 11:52
Beardfish, Pain of Salvation and Riverside come to my mind
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I did Darkthrone, Burzum, Marduk, and most of those mentioned. I was born in the 50's and have been retired for some time. I spend half of my days now just listening to music. Hence why I can work through discographies the way I do.

And I am well aware that Hair metal was a moniker. That being said it now has come to reference mostly 80's glam and pop metal bands. Stryper (up until reforming in the mid 2000's), Dokken, WASP (their really early stuff, before Blackie decided that their music needed to be manic depressive), New York Dolls, late 80's Alice Cooper, Europe, Turbo era Judas Priest, Van Halen etc.

Those are more on my side. Again there are exceptions. I have some partial feelings for Accept, Nordland era Bathory, and heck there are even a few (rare) prog metal albums I enjoy (Iron Maiden's Somewhere In Time actually is my second favorite Maiden album so...). Heck, I don't even care for Power Metal, but Yngwie Malmsteen (imo) is an unparalleled god of guitar work that I can't get enough of... except when he sings in which case I worry about an aneurysm from the sheer awfulness.

The reason why it seems "narrow" is because my tastes are very particular. I have given sub genres of all kinds a try.

At this point I've listened to 100+ Prog metal albums. I've listened to 30 or so Black Metal albums. At least 50 power metal albums. At least 30 thrash metal albums.

I mean I can always go through my digital library and give you exact numbers. But it isn't like I just heard one song and was like "nope don't like it." I gave these genres all a fair shot. They just don't get me going.

Heavy metal music is just a touchy genre in general, and the sub genres rarely stick the landing for me.

Not saying there aren't gems of gold and amazing musicianship and work being done. Just saying they don't do it for me.
But the sun is eclipsed by the moon. -- Pink Floyd
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Originally posted by philipemery philipemery wrote:

 
And I usually start with the highest rated albums. Example: Bathory's debut eponymous album and the follow up two albums are considered paragons of Black Metal.

Sure but they aren't the ONLY ones considered the classics of black metal.  There isn't any sub genre defined by a single band with the exception of Zeuhl which is essentially a subset of RIO imo.  There's Gorgoroth, sure, but you haven't mentioned Darkthrone, Immortal, Burzum and the later ones like Marduk or Dark Funeral.  Dimmu Borgir, Rotting Christ, been a long time since I tuned into black metal but I am beginning to recall the names now. There are lots and lots of bands out there.  I can understand not liking particular sub genres very much at all (power metal mostly doesn't do it for me) but you're narrowing it down way too much when you say only hair metal does it for you.  Need I mention that there isn't exactly a lot of difference in the actual music between hair metal, pop metal and well just plain old traditional heavy metal?  Hair metal was a moniker based more on the image rather than the sound.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by philipemery philipemery wrote:

I did it to give the genre a chance. I do that with everything. I also subjected myself to the entire discography of Gorgoroth, and Bathory before I decided that Viking metal and Black metal were not my cup of tea lol.

I give everything a few chances before finalizing my like or dislike. Hence why I am currently working my way through the entirety of Magma's discography.


Hmmm but I would think trying the highest rated albums of a few bands rather than the entire discographies of just say Gorgoroth and Bathory for black/viking is a better approach.  Also, sticking with an album for a few relistens spread out over time rather than cramming so many albums in short order gives you better odds.  I am going to go out on a limb and guess you're either downloading or using streaming services because to acquire even paid digital downloads (let alone CDs) of that much music will take a lot of time. It is tempting to get all the work of a band because you can but in my experience, very few bands make an entire discography worth listening to.  I know I am giving unsolicited suggestions here but try the classics of a lot of bands and try to find commonalities that gradually extend and expand your tastes.  Like, Iron Maiden's Aces High or Judas Priest's Freewheel Burning are pretty fast speed metal songs. From there to thrash metal is not a huge distance to traverse, really.  Something like Heathen will get you there sooner than the more violent/aggressive side of thrash metal like Slayer or Kreator. If you happen to like growls, you will easily be able to find stuff from death metal to your liking. So on and so forth.  

At a certain stage, I pulled the plug and started instead to acquire and listen to a few albums and always one at a time.  If I liked an album, I would listen to it over and over, being in no hurry to move on. I may have consumed much less music since but my 'hit rate' went up dramatically and I also find myself a lot more open minded to music, recently branching out to hip hop which I had once sworn off. Maybe because the luxury of time allows me to approach new music with a 'blank' mind and without unnecessary preconceived notions that can often get in the way.  You may well wish to type out a rebuttal to this and would be entitled to but I say, again, that I have been there before and that approach is nowhere near as enjoyable as it may appear to be.


I primarily use Amazon Digital music, and iTunes for collecting. There are not many albums I go out to buy physical variants of. Physically I only own the discographies of Pink Floyd, Styx, Babylon, Gypsy, Smoke Rise, Mandrake Memorial, and Gentle Giant.

And I usually start with the highest rated albums. Example: Bathory's debut eponymous album and the follow up two albums are considered paragons of Black Metal. With the discography of YES, I started with Close To the Edge (one of the most hyped).

In Iron Maiden's case, I started on Powerslave, and branched out from there. I quite enjoy every album of theirs up until SSOASS.

Styx I started with the standard Grand Illusion. Funnily enough, though, Crystal Ball ended up being my favorite.

I don't linger on albums though, because I tend to get burnt out, even if I enjoy them (there are a few exceptions, Pink Floyd, but not many).

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Very interesting.  You like prog.  You like metal.  But you can't get into prog metal.  The prog fans I know who don't like prog metal have no use for metal of any type.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood your distaste as "blind hatred."  How on earth could one reach that conclusion after reading "I hate Progressive Metal with a burning passion unrivaled on this Earth." ???  Yeah, clearly I was reading way too much into your post?Cool
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Originally posted by philipemery philipemery wrote:

I did it to give the genre a chance. I do that with everything. I also subjected myself to the entire discography of Gorgoroth, and Bathory before I decided that Viking metal and Black metal were not my cup of tea lol.

I give everything a few chances before finalizing my like or dislike. Hence why I am currently working my way through the entirety of Magma's discography.

Hmmm but I would think trying the highest rated albums of a few bands rather than the entire discographies of just say Gorgoroth and Bathory for black/viking is a better approach.  Also, sticking with an album for a few relistens spread out over time rather than cramming so many albums in short order gives you better odds.  I am going to go out on a limb and guess you're either downloading or using streaming services because to acquire even paid digital downloads (let alone CDs) of that much music will take a lot of time. It is tempting to get all the work of a band because you can but in my experience, very few bands make an entire discography worth listening to.  I know I am giving unsolicited suggestions here but try the classics of a lot of bands and try to find commonalities that gradually extend and expand your tastes.  Like, Iron Maiden's Aces High or Judas Priest's Freewheel Burning are pretty fast speed metal songs. From there to thrash metal is not a huge distance to traverse, really.  Something like Heathen will get you there sooner than the more violent/aggressive side of thrash metal like Slayer or Kreator. If you happen to like growls, you will easily be able to find stuff from death metal to your liking. So on and so forth.  

At a certain stage, I pulled the plug and started instead to acquire and listen to a few albums and always one at a time.  If I liked an album, I would listen to it over and over, being in no hurry to move on. I may have consumed much less music since but my 'hit rate' went up dramatically and I also find myself a lot more open minded to music, recently branching out to hip hop which I had once sworn off. Maybe because the luxury of time allows me to approach new music with a 'blank' mind and without unnecessary preconceived notions that can often get in the way.  You may well wish to type out a rebuttal to this and would be entitled to but I say, again, that I have been there before and that approach is nowhere near as enjoyable as it may appear to be.
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I did it to give the genre a chance. I do that with everything. I also subjected myself to the entire discography of Gorgoroth, and Bathory before I decided that Viking metal and Black metal were not my cup of tea lol.

I give everything a few chances before finalizing my like or dislike. Hence why I am currently working my way through the entirety of Magma's discography.
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Originally posted by philipemery philipemery wrote:

It isn't that the genre is bad or anything. I just can't stand the sound. I like my metal basically one way: hair metal. Most other genres just get under my skin (though I take some exception to power metal on occasion).

Also isn't blind hatred. I've listened to the entire discography of Marillion, Dream Theater, Opeth, Porcupine Tree, Queensryche, Haken, Rush, etc... none of it did anything for me (Rush though is one I consider to be legitimately mediocre and over hyped, but that is a different discussion altogether).

There are prog metal albums that are objectively masterful. They just don't do anything for me.

Man, that's a lot of discographies to listen to.  I know that I wouldn't subject myself to that much difficulty with regard to bands that don't do it for me.
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It isn't that the genre is bad or anything. I just can't stand the sound. I like my metal basically one way: hair metal. Most other genres just get under my skin (though I take some exception to power metal on occasion).

Also isn't blind hatred. I've listened to the entire discography of Marillion, Dream Theater, Opeth, Porcupine Tree, Queensryche, Haken, Rush, etc... none of it did anything for me (Rush though is one I consider to be legitimately mediocre and over hyped, but that is a different discussion altogether).

There are prog metal albums that are objectively masterful. They just don't do anything for me.

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Well, the thread is about 'dislike' so he is entitled to dislike it.  Without offering reasons for it, so we should not hound him because he chose to do so.  It's alright.  I know other tr00 metalheads who like classic prog but dislike prog metal.  Actually, I have been to that exact place myself (though I still found IM even on SSOASS old school enough that I never clubbed them with actual prog metal like um Dream Theater). I have come to like quite a bit of prog metal since though there's still much that does nothing for me (just like non-metal prog).
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So a blind hatred of progressive metal is clearly coloring your assessment. Thanks for the full disclosure.

The Clairvoyant is the only song with interesting bass work?  You say this with a straight face after Infinite Dreams?  Egad!

And all this coming from a guy with a Styx avatar.  Wow.
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Well... doesn't help that I hate Progressive Metal with a burning passion unrivaled on this Earth.

But yeah no... "The Evil that men do" repeat 20 times for best Bruce Dickenson pitchyness.

The whole album has repetitive chorus after repetitive chorus... I'd add that those "varied" bass lines and stuff... yeah not really there. Again, Harris' galloping bass lines are still in full force (aforementioned "Evil That Men Do" proves me right).

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Moonchild - oh look they discovered repetitive synthesizer motifs, galloping bass line is back in action.

Infinite Dreams - About the only song on the album I like.

Can I Play With Madness - galloping guitars, and a chorus line that repeats without end.

Evil That Men Do - galloping bass and guitars with a repetitive chorus. Wow original.

Seventh Son of a Seventh Son - yay love those repeating choruses... can't get enough of hearing that phrase the same time in a row until my ears bleed.

The Prophecy - galloping guitars on the verses... still not old yet?

The Clairvoyant - the only song with legitimately interesting bass work. Too bad there is another guitar gallop in the background.

Only The Good Die Young - repetitive choruses again

Yes I listened to the whole album again, just for this comment. And yes I hate this severely uninspired album with a passion. The only Maiden album I hit the skip button more on is The X Factor, and that is mostly because I hate Blaze's fake vibrato even more than I hate SSOASS

Caught Somewhere in Time, Powerslave, Killers etc were all excellent albums (Number of the Beasts is 90% filler imo though).
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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

That's just one song, and the only one on the album that employs such repetition.
There are seven more on the album. Across the album, there is wonderful variety.

You must really hate Hey Jude!

Not to mention that after all the repetition come some fairly progressive interludes that are among the most interesting Maiden has put together in their very long career.
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That's just one song, and the only one on the album that employs such repetition.
There are seven more on the album. Across the album, there is wonderful variety.

You must really hate Hey Jude!
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I personally don't care to hear the chorus "Seventh son of a seventh son" repeated 500 million times in a row, and having it drilled into my skull. But to each their own.
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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Funny, my impression of Seventh Son was that it was one of their more varied albums.  Especially when you consider that Maiden was always anchored by Steve Harris' galloping bass lines and on SSOASS, he moved beyond that and showed more versatility in his offerings.  


Yup, SSOASS is my favourite Bruce Maiden album.
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Funny, my impression of Seventh Son was that it was one of their more varied albums.  Especially when you consider that Maiden was always anchored by Steve Harris' galloping bass lines and on SSOASS, he moved beyond that and showed more versatility in his offerings.  
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Can I just say Neo-Prog and Prog-Revival in general? Started good... for like the first two songs from Marillion. After that it was just a whole lot of nope.

Iron Maiden... liked all their stuff up until Seventh Son... that album was repetitive garbage, and everything after that was just disappointment to me. Blaze Bayley and his fake vibrato were the absolute lowest point imo.

I'd put YES and Rush on this list... but I never liked them. Too flashy and I hate the very fabric of prog metal.


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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Seriously, I think Kevin Ayers went in a way distasteful direction after his Dr. Dream album. ‘Nuff said.
And The Moody Blues, after Seventh Sojourn.
Sure, they may have had the odd decent tune here and there, but I lost interest overall.

Octave wan't bad.  It may not have been as worthy as the classic seven, but if it wasn't placed next to the classic seven, it would seem a pretty good record.  And for me, Long Distance Voyager is an excellent album; strong from start to finish and in no way not worthy to stand alongside any of their earlier efforts.  
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

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Dream Theater showed me that I like Symphony X a million times more Tongue.

Pretty much the opposite for me.  
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