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    Posted: October 19 2017 at 20:14
I'm wondering if anyone else out there likes this band or follows them. At one point in the 90's they were probably one of the most visible prog bands( I even remember seeing a guy wearing an OT shirt when I saw King Crimson in 1995) but in the past several years they seem to have gone largely unnoticed which is a shame. Maybe this thread can help rectify that. I myself admit to having lost track of their releases since the 90's and don't currently have anything by them but I have seen them live twice(both times in this decade)and they are very good live. Apparently some of their late 90's and early 2000 albums are some of their best. To this day, though, I consider Jurassic Shift to be one of my personal favorite prog albums of all time and I think it's pretty essential for any self respecting prog fan to have(especially those who like psych/space sounding stuff). So, any other fans or opinions on these guys?
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Great band. It's hard to believe that so many '90s prog bands of questionable quality are getting a lot of attention while these guys are mostly ignored. That being said, I should own more albums by them. I own all the albums from Pungent Effulgent to Waterfall Cities and get a kick out of all of them but their discography is intimidating. My favourite is Erpland.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2017 at 21:25
I'm not sure what bands you are referring to specifically but at least some of them do deserve more attention. A band such as Discipline for example or even Echolyn does deserve more recognition but then again so do these guys these days. Changing tastes could have something to do with it or also just the way certain bands are promoted. I know Ozrics have a big jam band following so maybe people assume they are more like Phish or some other jam band than prog. Not sure. Like I said I sort of fell off the bandwagon with OT but the earlier stuff such as Jurassic Shift, Arborescence, Strangeitude and Erpland are really great instrumental prog to my ears. Sure there is a jam quality but you could probably say that about a lot of psych influenced stuff. 




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I have a really hard time enjoying their post-2000 releases. Sure, they nail it on stage, but in the studio they sound too programmed these days. Thereís some great material here and there, but what happened to the bass guitar ?? All programmed, synthetic bass lines. This factor is very disappointing to me, plus the composition is lack-lustre compared with the Roly/Zia years. Brandi is great bassist, no doubt, but I donít think she ever touches a bass guitar in the studio. And if she does, the production renders it so fake that itís pointless. I donít hate them, on the contrary, Iíll buy anything they release, but I wish theyíd go back to a more Ďorganicí formula in the studio. I probably donít know what Iím raving on about, but thatís my story and Iím sticking to it

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2017 at 08:52
I've only heard a few of their albums so I'm not an expert and I know some people are not massive fans of it, but I bought "Technicians of the Sacred" on a whim a while ago and I really like it.
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I saw them last year, a really short two and a half hours concert Cool

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Awesome live band indeed (insane Wynne). I think Technicians is a great album but still I agree with most of what Tom is saying. I prefer the more organic sound but any Ozric is a good listen for me.

Curious Corn and Arborescence have always been favorites of mine.
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Hi,

I like the band, still, despite it being the Wynne Family Band, and it does not have the depth and beauty that the original did. for some reason, and I do not think I am the only one, I miss John adding the touches to the music, that have been missing since, and even as far as the Seaweed fun stuff, that was fairly interesting, though by that time, the stuff was already becoming the keep daddy up with the bass, and keyboards, and the quality of the music kinda lost its spark a bit, though, of course, there are, still, quite a few moments in the  family material that are really nice, but the inventiveness and fun stuff that was there in the early days is not there anymore.

Still a very nice band, but it feels lilke we have to wait for mom to learn the bass more, and the son to learn the keyboards even more, before the band can do something stronger and more valuable than the early materials they had.

Still, an enjoyable band, although the new material is more about the "song", than the earlier material that tended to extend the trip of the piece a bit more, and as such, I kinda think that they have lost the progressive edge since. 

Nice listens though, but I stopped at arounc Curious Corn, although I have all the CD's. I do not, however, expect any more explosive material that will just flare up your imagination like ... yeah ... !!!

PS: They are good live, but twice they have been hurt in Portland with really band sound mixes during the show and various instruments going out ... and as is the case in Portland, just about no keyboards ... you couldn't hear much of them at all, most of the time. I really thought the band was more than just a guitar ... but ... but ... 


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone else out there likes this band or follows them. At one point in the 90's they were probably one of the most visible prog bands( I even remember seeing a guy wearing an OT shirt when I saw King Crimson in 1995) but in the past several years they seem to have gone largely unnoticed which is a shame. Maybe this thread can help rectify that. I myself admit to having lost track of their releases since the 90's and don't currently have anything by them but I have seen them live twice(both times in this decade)and they are very good live. Apparently some of their late 90's and early 2000 albums are some of their best. To this day, though, I consider Jurassic Shift to be one of my personal favorite prog albums of all time and I think it's pretty essential for any self respecting prog fan to have(especially those who like psych/space sounding stuff). So, any other fans or opinions on these guys?

Quite a few fans on this forum! I've listened to the Ozrics for over 25 years now. The first album I bought when it was new was Jurassic Shift. That one and Strangeitude really hit the spot. There was nothing else like those on the shelves at the time.

Favorite albums:

Pungent Effulgent
Erpland
Strangeitude
Live Underslunky
Jurassic Shift
Arborescence
The Hidden Step
Spirals in Hyperspace
The Floor's Too Far Away
The YumYum Tree
Paper Monkeys


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I have Erpland and Jurassic Shift and know Pungent Effulgent in full. I like these a lot but have sampled a number of tracks from several albums over the time and always thought that it just sounds like more of the same without really sucking me in. I may not have looked in the right place (and also I never saw them live and should) but to me it always seemed that had they done one or two albums only, they'd be a super awesome promising band but with the monster discography they now have it seems they didn't add that much to their style over the years.
Obviously feel free to recommend stuff that is great but sufficiently different from said three albums.
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I've been a long time fan of the Ozrics and currently have most of their albums, I'm not sure how many bands I know that still deliver quality albums after 30 years in action. I'm sure most of their fans consider the early 90's to be their strongest and I do too, but you definitely shouldn't avoid post 2000 albums, especially Technicians Of The Sacred which after a short period of time made me understand that it is their best album to date!! I don't think I ever heard the Ozrics to be as focused as in this album, the songwriting is simply stellar, do not miss it.
After that I would recommend The Floor's Too Far Away which I think fell under the radar of a lot of fans, excellent album!
Also worthy of mention are The Hidden Step and of course Waterfall Cities.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I have Erpland and Jurassic Shift and know Pungent Effulgent in full. I like these a lot but have sampled a number of tracks from several albums over the time and always thought that it just sounds like more of the same without really sucking me in. I may not have looked in the right place (and also I never saw them live and should) but to me it always seemed that had they done one or two albums only, they'd be a super awesome promising band but with the monster discography they now have it seems they didn't add that much to their style over the years.
Obviously feel free to recommend stuff that is great but sufficiently different from said three albums.

Give Strangeitude and Jurassic Shift a thorough listen. They do sound like companion albums, but the compositions, the playing is so brilliant, it doesn't matter. It's like Rush with Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows, or King Crimson with Discipline and Beat. You get one, you want the other. 

Technicians has gotten a lot of love, but also check out 2011's Paper Monkeys. I like that one a lot.
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Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Also worthy of mention are The Hidden Step and of course Waterfall Cities.

THS is superb.
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Think I have 5 of their albums inclding most of those recommended, its good stuff but I doubt I'll buy any more, there is a sameyness to their style.
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Living in the West country (of the UK) I saw the Ozrics a lot in the late 80's/ early 90's (just generally around Frome/Shepton Mallet and Glastonbury) at Stonehenge and other free festivals and lots of small gigs in the West. After the success (well in the UK indie charts..) of Strangeitude, Jurrasic shift and Arborescence they just seemed tired out and lacking in the energy of their earlier lps. I sort of lost touch and then saw them about 15 years ago and they seemed somewhat re-energised. This summer at Kozfest, Ed Wynne rejoined former members of OT's in the Ullulators, eat static and the Oroonies to do a 'near original OT line up gig' Cracking stuff!!

One of my favourite lps is 'Spice Doubt- streaming a gig in the ether' from around 1996, a 'live in the studio' lp which just shows what they were capable of live!
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I would go for the first 4 studio albums.
 
Spice Doubt is an more than brilliant live album, it sounds better than most of their studio albums
and they really explode the songs. (It was a stream from the studio live with no audience)
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Hi,

I'm not a great fan of their current line up and work. I think that Ed had to simplify things to allow some time for his wife and son to catch up musically, in order to be able to get better and give the band a much needed infusion since John left ... when the band begun losing its character and its musicianship kinda fell into the song mentality, instead of the "experience" thing that they were a part of. 

I'm not usually a sentimental person, or one that lives in the past, but I kinda miss the freshness and quality of the early material, which is missing in the current version, and I'm not sure Ed knows how to solve it, and probably can't until someone joins them that can shake up the core of things ... but it might hurt the "family unit" thing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jzrk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2017 at 21:11
I am newer to discovering them and have listened to many of their albums and prefer the 90ís out out too. It for the most part enjoy most of what they do.When I am in the mood for them itís some of my favorites post 70ís prog
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote starless2112 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2017 at 19:46
Love Love Love Ozrics! Listening to them right now. Erpland, Tantric Obstacles, and Curious Corn are favorites.

Favorite Songs:
Dissolution
Og Ha Be
Oddhamshaw
Fast Dots
Thyroid
Oolite Grove
Domes of G Bal
Oddhamshaw Style
Dots Thots
Trees of Eternity
Tidal Otherness
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2017 at 12:12
Hmm...been a while since I played them.....I have 4 or 5 studio and one live one....Spice Doubt I think.
I suppose Strangeitude and Jurassic Shift are my favorites but then that was around the time I discovered them....
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