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Blaqua
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 02:52 |
" Well I thought you could vote for
multiple choices, so I started with flute but wasn't able to vote for others."
" Shoulda been multiple voting allowed Angry"
Right, next time I'll start a poll I'll make multiple
choices available, if deemed suitable. " The Mellotron should always be more present." The instruments I selected are used but are "underpresented", not common. Mellotron is an electronic keyboard and such keyboards are heard extensively in prog. " What about the French horn, for Crissakes?!" "Because...no bagpipe." I omitted it because the list includes, as said before, instruments used nowadays in prog but rarely. King Crimson used cowbell and viola on Larks', but that doesn’t make those two instruments a standard in prog. In fact, accordion should have been omitted and was included perhaps because unique, not a string or wind instrument. |
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progaardvark
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 06:12 |
Cello, with xylophone a close second.
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Mormegil
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 06:27 |
Voted for "all", although you could keep the accordion, thank you very much . . .
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SteveG
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 06:59 |
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Manuel
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 07:17 |
I would say depending on the music. I don't see Oboe fitting in prog metal, but sounding fantastic in Symphonic prog. All great instruments, when played properly, in the right content.
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Meltdowner
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 07:22 |
There's never enough harpsichord.
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Quinino
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 07:39 |
Well... Nightwish used it (and more often also bagpipes) - there are no strict boundaries in progressive music, that's clear ... |
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Quinino
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 07:42 |
I see someone mentioned Cello - I agree (but Harpsichord right behind)
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chopper
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 07:48 |
The banjo, obviously.
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Jeffro
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 08:07 |
Sousaphone and bassoon
Oh, and recorder and triangle
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bertolino
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 08:14 |
Better simply name Gryphon at the end; then you may had , apart of these, crumhorn, church organ, pipes and all the fanfare!
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Jeffro
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 08:15 |
If you're going to go banjo, then go dueling banjos
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moshkito
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 08:35 |
Hi, I do not think of a specific instrument needs to be there or not, when composing something ... at times, I like the sound of a violin, at others, some mystical sound of strings that does not exist and 100 violins can not provide! What is necessary, is for a composer to better define his/her music, so that it does not come off like a cookie cutter mentality ... that it has to have this instrument in this section so we can put the baby to sleep ... kind of thing ... and then we use lots of noise over here because we need an alarm clock ... the idea that we have to "signal" our intent in music, and thus, this instrument will always be sad and forever unhappy, and that other one will always sound magical and ethereal ... the kind of mentality that prevents you from learning what music is really all about ... you are not allowed to think for your self, and all minor keys are sad, and all major keys are happy ... got that? Makes me think we are no longer listening to music, when we have to make one of those decisions ... I would rather have a visual or another and then try to find a mix of instruments that can illuminate that visual in music ... it's not easy, but it has been done for hundreds of years, to music we still listen to, because it takes us away ... its magic has never died.
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bertolino
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 08:40 |
Few i thought it was one of those light and funny post... now i feel guilty...
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ForestFriend
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 10:51 |
I would like to hear more violin; there are a lot of interesting and expressive sounds that can come out of one, and it doesn't seem to be as common in prog as flute or saxophone (at least not in classic prog).
It would be interesting to hear a prog band make some interesting of an oboe... although I imagine it might sound too duck-like if someone tries playing it aggressively. |
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Squonk19
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 16:12 |
Cowbell! I need more cowbell!
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 18:38 |
No! It works great with Prog Cabaret and Prog Folk and NeoClassical (Seas of Mirth, North Sea Radio Orchestra, Rational Diet/Five-Storey Ensemble). And then there's the wonderful 2011 debut album from Poland's TUNE, "Lucid Moments," which is simply prog perfection! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCIdDAFszDo |
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: December 06 2017 at 22:13 |
Cello for me. Mellotron is a great instrument but only in the right places, whereas Cello is always great in the quiet acoustic pieces.
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Blaqua
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Posted: December 07 2017 at 02:39 |
"I do not think of a specific instrument needs to be
there or not, when composing something ... at times, I like the sound of a
violin, at others, some mystical sound of strings that does not exist and 100
violins can not provide!"
All those instruments exist to provide musical variety and wealth and help composers experiment and customize their work. Seldom used instruments may bring that mystical sound we are longing for. Listen again to the exquisite Bolero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC4KoQW9axw Using the same means leads to the cookie-cutter mentality. "Cowbell! I need more cowbell!" The Big Mac of cowbells http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy4HA3vUv2c " Cello for me." Very rarely employed, I agree it should be more present. |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: December 07 2017 at 05:27 |
The accordion can be used in many ways that completely removes its polka sensibilities. Coming from Denmark I'm used to hearing it adorning the music of Savage Rose. Mixed together with what is arguably the music world's most powerful female voice it ends up sounding far more like East European organ than an actual accordion. Played slow and passionately it takes on this dreamy oozing quality that I personally find quite beautiful.
I would love to see the flute played more often though without the usual 'Ian Anderson teams up with Black Sabbath' type of deal I often hear these days. Blood Ceremony championed that particular flavour some ten years ago and I would like to hear something new. Pan flute maybe? One of those instruments that almost universally is linked with a specific style of music ie new age. It'd be interesting to see if anyone can make the damn thing snarl in a rock setting. One omission from the above list, and posts, is of course the wonderful sauerkraut synthesiser which I've posted about before (Unconventional Music Instruments Appreciation thread). |
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