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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Now I ask you ... how do you improve "Stravinsky"? Or "Beethoven"? 

Drum machines, kazoos, airplane propellers, and maybe a Minimoog.

Ohhhhh ... you have not heard PDQ Bach, yet?

The shame ... duh total shame!
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Master of Time Master of Time wrote:

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You brought up the idea of improving Stravinsky and Beethoven and used it to call this question inappropriate, but I find the analogy inappropriate.

Actually your comment is more of a copout than anything else.

IF you do not like something, get yourself an instrument, and do it yourself, but you have no right to pontificate that others are not correct and need to do "better". You sound like the church already ... and its "favorites", and of course, as has been the history of it, many musicians and artists died because of these ideas ... so you want to continue the evil?

Originally posted by Master of Time Master of Time wrote:

For one, I'm sure if you asked their contemporaries at the time they would have opinions on how they could improve, whether they would be right or not is another question but they would have their opinions.
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You can not "improve" someone else ... you can give them a haircut, and a little make up ... but, normally, the same person is still there and will continue to be there ... same arms, legs, head, face ... etc ... and to suggest that you can change them is not a good thing to do.

The arts, specially, are full of histories of folks fighting for their life and their moments and a chance to be heard and seen ... and now, you stand here, like a statue, saying that they are not good enough ... and you are not even an "empresario" that makes some folks think they can get something out of life.

My comments, unlike G's thoughts, are about bringing a newer and better understanding and appreciation for the arts, not just music, and sadly, a lot of these comments become personal, rather than taken with the proper salt and sugar they deserve. 

While PA has been very good in many ways, my thoughts still are that it could improve, and the folks that are "admins" could help a lot more with the understanding and appreciation, than they do, which is to make comments that actually take away from some good points on the discussion ... but no ... many times they go supporting their top ten designs with a database ... which can be adjusted to be more flexible and valuable than just a simple number crunching exercise that is not even done by people, but by a simple script and design.

You want to improve something? A statue, a composition, a novel? 

WRITE YOUR OWN! COMPOSE YOUR OWN! CREATE YOUR OWN STATUE ... and then see if you are strong enough to stand up to all this absolutely bizarre comments ... ohhh Venus de Milo is missing a ..... and I can hear the comments on Michelangelo's men ... they should be better endowed to match the modern man!

Btw, WD is ... Walt Disney!

You are frankly starting to make me a little sick to my stomach Pedro. Every time either I of some other member points out when you are making completely false claims and analogies to support you main argument, you completely evade the subject. Now I don't give a flying feck whatever noble and interesting idea you're trying to convey, when you continue to do this.
When we then point it out to you, you shift the blame and start talking about the bigger picture and art and bla bla bla as if we're supposed to overlook the fact that a moment ago you were trashing several different nations of PA members without any points of reference or perhaps more importantly: a friendly tongue-in-cheek tone.

Why do you insist on destroying all the great posts you do with illinformed generalisations about other members (and I mean that, you have some wonderful thoughts and ideas about music and art, which I've mentioned to you several times in the past)? Make your point but please leave the rest of us out of it until you get your facts straight.

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Get rid of protools and all methods of avoiding having to be good enough to play the song correctly.
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Today I'd say less metal and more classical music and acoustic folk influences - today's prog suffers from way too much metal!
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... oh, and no refrains.
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Deconstruction and restructure!

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Prog is still way too short......Only allow prog artists to release double or triple CD's and it would be mandatory to have at least one track over an hour! - Prog band's should take past prog that was promising and extend the hell out of it! - I'd buy it - but I'm probably in a minority (even for prog)
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Prog is still way too short......Only allow prog artists to release double or triple CD's and it would be mandatory to have at least one track over an hour! - Prog band's should take past prog that was promising and extend the hell out of it! - I'd buy it - but I'm probably in a minority (even for prog)

I assume you enjoy Tales from Topographic Oceans? I love my prog side-long as well!
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Create your own band and play what you want, instead of whining


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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Prog is still way too short......Only allow prog artists to release double or triple CD's and it would be mandatory to have at least one track over an hour! - Prog band's should take past prog that was promising and extend the hell out of it! - I'd buy it - but I'm probably in a minority (even for prog)

I assume you enjoy Tales from Topographic Oceans? I love my prog side-long as well!

Aye - Favourite Yes effort by a country mile - But ITS FAR TOO SHORT!!!
They should have reprised a lot of their back catalogue and weaved it into the tracks (as they did briefly with close to the edge theme)
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Originally posted by awaken77 awaken77 wrote:

Create your own band and play what you want, instead of whining


That ship has sailed a long time ago - I have the musical ability of a desiccated whelk....
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Prog is still way too short......Only allow prog artists to release double or triple CD's and it would be mandatory to have at least one track over an hour! - Prog band's should take past prog that was promising and extend the hell out of it! - I'd buy it - but I'm probably in a minority (even for prog)

I assume you enjoy Tales from Topographic Oceans? I love my prog side-long as well!

Aye - Favourite Yes effort by a country mile - But ITS FAR TOO SHORT!!!
They should have reprised a lot of their back catalogue and weaved it into the tracks (as they did briefly with close to the edge theme)

You are a rare breed, sir! While not my personal favorite (it's hard to top CTTE and Relayer for me), it's definitely more seminal than the prog community gives it credit for. I somehow have that record memorized very well. I've never heard anyone complain of it being too short! I wonder what they could've done if they made each song an entire LP in itself (4 LP set instead of 2 double sided)? Tongue

Originally posted by awaken77 awaken77 wrote:

Create your own band and play what you want, instead of whining

I have done and continue to do so, good sir Cool
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^ Aye, that would have given the punks and moronic music press even more ammo in 1976! I think that I bought 3 triple disc vinyl sets - Yessongs, Welcome back my friends, and Rush Archives and these don't really count as 2 are live and the third is just a collection of the first three releases in a box.
TFK - are one of my favourite prog bands - because they do like an extended epic and even in the shorter epics - e.g. Monsters and Men - The monumental guitar solo by stolt - is nicely extended - you think it's over then - he's off again - I like that in a track.....
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