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richardh
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Topic: genesis ( selling england by the pound ) Posted: March 03 2018 at 04:23 |
SquonkHunter wrote:
My love of SEBTP comes from the extended instrumental passages in songs like Dancing With the Moonlight Knight, Firth of Fifth and The Cinema Show. It is so good to hear Genesis just cut loose and jam for a while without worrying about clever lyrics or strange costumes. Just the band doing what they did best - PLAY.
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Yep although Cinema Show on Seconds Out is even better especially with when Chester and Phil get going.
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 20:34 |
My love of SEBTP comes from the extended instrumental passages in songs like Dancing With the Moonlight Knight, Firth of Fifth and The Cinema Show. It is so good to hear Genesis just cut loose and jam for a while without worrying about clever lyrics or strange costumes. Just the band doing what they did best - PLAY.
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: March 01 2018 at 09:01 |
Blacksword wrote:
Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
richardh wrote:
I really like More Fool Me. Phil is superb on that and the guitar is great. My problem is Battle Of Epping Forest. Apparently it's ok for Genesis to arse around for 10 minutes but not for ELP to do it for 2 minutes (Yes I do have a chip on my shoulder!) , The rest of the album is truly brilliant though.
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I've always felt like Gabriel-era Genesis transcended contemporary music, especially prog, and told a story.
ELP is like musical masturbation to me, and this is coming from a Gentle Giant fan boi. |
Yeah, that's pretty rich coming from a GG fanantic.. |
Blacksword wrote:
Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
richardh wrote:
I really like More Fool Me. Phil is superb on that and the guitar is great. My problem is Battle Of Epping Forest. Apparently it's ok for Genesis to arse around for 10 minutes but not for ELP to do it for 2 minutes (Yes I do have a chip on my shoulder!) , The rest of the album is truly brilliant though.
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I've always felt like Gabriel-era Genesis transcended contemporary music, especially prog, and told a story.
ELP is like musical masturbation to me, and this is coming from a Gentle Giant fan boi. |
Yeah, that's pretty rich coming from a GG fanantic.. |
Which is exactly why I tend to duck of out ELP conversation LOL.
I do enjoy Trilogy though.
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 01 2018 at 08:58 |
Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
richardh wrote:
I really like More Fool Me. Phil is superb on that and the guitar is great. My problem is Battle Of Epping Forest. Apparently it's ok for Genesis to arse around for 10 minutes but not for ELP to do it for 2 minutes (Yes I do have a chip on my shoulder!) , The rest of the album is truly brilliant though.
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I've always felt like Gabriel-era Genesis transcended contemporary music, especially prog, and told a story.
ELP is like musical masturbation to me, and this is coming from a Gentle Giant fan boi. | Yeah, that's pretty rich coming from a GG fanantic..
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: March 01 2018 at 08:23 |
richardh wrote:
I really like More Fool Me. Phil is superb on that and the guitar is great. My problem is Battle Of Epping Forest. Apparently it's ok for Genesis to arse around for 10 minutes but not for ELP to do it for 2 minutes (Yes I do have a chip on my shoulder!) , The rest of the album is truly brilliant though.
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I've always felt like Gabriel-era Genesis transcended contemporary music, especially prog, and told a story.
ELP is like musical masturbation to me, and this is coming from a Gentle Giant fan boi.
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Cristi
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Posted: March 01 2018 at 06:44 |
richardh wrote:
I really like More Fool Me. Phil is superb on that and the guitar is great. My problem is Battle Of Epping Forest. Apparently it's ok for Genesis to arse around for 10 minutes but not for ELP to do it for 2 minutes (Yes I do have a chip on my shoulder!) , The rest of the album is truly brilliant though.
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LOL I'm learning new words and expressions, I'm gonna add "to arse around" to my vocabulary.
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richardh
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Posted: March 01 2018 at 06:38 |
I really like More Fool Me. Phil is superb on that and the guitar is great. My problem is Battle Of Epping Forest. Apparently it's ok for Genesis to arse around for 10 minutes but not for ELP to do it for 2 minutes (Yes I do have a chip on my shoulder!) , The rest of the album is truly brilliant though.
Edited by richardh - March 01 2018 at 06:38
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 16:33 |
Most certainly (if I remember well - 40 years have left some damages) the album that hooked me definitely on this kind of music ... well, with some help from Trilogy, Snow Goose and TFTO for sure
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 15:36 |
oh definitely the prog Genesis album I enjoy most.. however it wouldn't be a prog Genesis album without the warts and boy did it have some. At 3 complete stinkers which completely remove it from 5 star territory. However it did have the two best things they did in the 70's.. Cinema Show which I'd put against the best anyone else did, high praise indeed, and Dancing with the Moonlit Knight which showed what that group MIGHT have been if they had leaned more on the one real talent, Hatchet, in that band.
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 13:38 |
Great album.....for me one of the 3 best...Foxtrot, Cryme and Selling...Lamb being behind those three for me. But More Fool Me is simply a weak song and imho Phil should have saved it for Trick or Wind. It simply doesn't fit on SEBTP.
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 09:22 |
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sorry aisle of plenty ,if i review something i really should pay attention detail thanks chopper |
To be fair, they do run into each other.
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 08:48 |
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Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
It's arguably the peak of the Gabriel era. You can hear how they have matured as musicans since Foxtrot (which is actually my favourite Gabrel era album)
SEBTP is a classy and well performed and recorded album. Firth of Fifth, Cinema Show and Dancing with the Moonlit Knight are among the best songs they ever wrote. I don't mind Battle of Epping Forest. It doesn't 'hang together' brilliantly, but has some fine moments. More Fool Me is unecessary, and I know what I like is...well...the single off the album. For it's high points though, it's at least a 4 star work. IMO. |
Foxtrot might actually be my favorite Genesis record the more I think about it...
Even though SEBPT is their renowned masterpiece, Foxtrot just feels like "more perfect" of a record to me. Yes those killer tracks are essential, but there's something about the flow of SEBTP that breaks up more than Foxtrot for me. |
Absolutely. The flow of the album isn't so good, I agree. Also every track on Foxtrot is at least 'very good' |
Exactly. Firth of Fifth, Epping Forest, and Cinema Show are some of THE strongest Genesis tracks.
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I never understood why More Fool Me is so hated, disliked by so many. It's not Phil's first song singing, didn't he also sing on For Absent Friends? |
That's the thing; I LOVE Phil Collins. It breaks the flow of the Gabriel-era magic, especially on SEBTP for me. It feels out of place, despite being a great song!
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 08:14 |
sorry aisle of plenty ,if i review something i really should pay attention detail thanks chopper
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 05:30 |
^I think Phil started to sing in back as soon as he started in Genesis. But More Fool Me was his first solo piece.
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 05:05 |
I never understood why More Fool Me is so hated, disliked by so many. It's not Phil's first song singing, didn't he also sing on For Absent Friends?
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 04:54 |
grantman wrote:
The most i can say about this record is it is truly one of the most remarkable genesis moments ever recorded.To myself it is a album filled with classic genesis songs, a fond farewell to England of yesterday starting with DANCING WITH THE MOONLIGHT KNIGHT to the closing THE CINEMA SHOW other great songs include I KNOW WHAT I LIKE (IN YOUR WARDROBE) and the phil collins singing i think for the 1st time (not sure ) in MORE FOOL ME the musicianship and arrangements a above par, especially steve hacketts guitarwork in AFTER THE ORDEAL all in all great songs from a great band p.s on a personal note a shout out to the band THE MUSICIAL BOX which i have seen 7 times performs, some of these songs perfectly if you can get a ticket it is well worth the investment . thank you for taking the time to read grant |
Just to be really picky, Cinema show isn't the closing track.
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Squonk19
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 03:19 |
Fantastic album - just a notch below Foxtrot for me - but I always liked the slightly more modern sound they got on the album - and Firth of Fifth and Cinema Show are rather good. I understand why many do consider it their favourite.
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 02:55 |
Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
It's arguably the peak of the Gabriel era. You can hear how they have matured as musicans since Foxtrot (which is actually my favourite Gabrel era album)
SEBTP is a classy and well performed and recorded album. Firth of Fifth, Cinema Show and Dancing with the Moonlit Knight are among the best songs they ever wrote. I don't mind Battle of Epping Forest. It doesn't 'hang together' brilliantly, but has some fine moments. More Fool Me is unecessary, and I know what I like is...well...the single off the album. For it's high points though, it's at least a 4 star work. IMO. |
Foxtrot might actually be my favorite Genesis record the more I think about it...
Even though SEBPT is their renowned masterpiece, Foxtrot just feels like "more perfect" of a record to me. Yes those killer tracks are essential, but there's something about the flow of SEBTP that breaks up more than Foxtrot for me. | Absolutely. The flow of the album isn't so good, I agree. Also every track on Foxtrot is at least 'very good'
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 02:11 |
Blacksword wrote:
It's arguably the peak of the Gabriel era. You can hear how they have matured as musicans since Foxtrot (which is actually my favourite Gabrel era album)
SEBTP is a classy and well performed and recorded album. Firth of Fifth, Cinema Show and Dancing with the Moonlit Knight are among the best songs they ever wrote. I don't mind Battle of Epping Forest. It doesn't 'hang together' brilliantly, but has some fine moments. More Fool Me is unecessary, and I know what I like is...well...the single off the album. For it's high points though, it's at least a 4 star work. IMO. |
Foxtrot might actually be my favorite Genesis record the more I think about it...
Even though SEBPT is their renowned masterpiece, Foxtrot just feels like "more perfect" of a record to me. Yes those killer tracks are essential, but there's something about the flow of SEBTP that breaks up more than Foxtrot for me.
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 02:08 |
It's arguably the peak of the Gabriel era. You can hear how they have matured as musicans since Foxtrot (which is actually my favourite Gabrel era album)
SEBTP is a classy and well performed and recorded album. Firth of Fifth, Cinema Show and Dancing with the Moonlit Knight are among the best songs they ever wrote. I don't mind Battle of Epping Forest. It doesn't 'hang together' brilliantly, but has some fine moments. More Fool Me is unecessary, and I know what I like is...well...the single off the album. For it's high points though, it's at least a 4 star work. IMO.
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