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paganinio
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In the field of guitar, keyboard, flute, saxophone etc. playing, did prog instrumentalists/composers develop brand new techniques that were not discovered or used in classical/rock/jazz music before them?
I'm wondering because I get the feeling that "prog solos" have a unique sound to them. It's one of the trademarks of the genre. When I hear a certain type of keyboard solos, I feel that this is something only found in the prog genre, and not classical music, and not psychedelic rock music that used the same keyboards/Mellotrons/Moogs.
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I'm not sure they did. They built upon what was already there and added techniques and styles often found outside of rock/prog.
Keyboard solos are basically just guitar solos performed on keys. That's not to say that prog solos aren't wonderful, they truly are and some even give me goosebumps. I'm just a little tired of these threads that wish to applaud prog and tell the world how good the music is....by, ever so cunningly, trying to lift the genre above other genres. The first part is cool and basically why I'm here. The last bit is the 'better than thou' syndrome that I hate with a vengeance. |
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Steve Hackett invented tapping.
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Pretty sure Django Reinhardt got there first. It was just before it got a name
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He might have been the first to use it in a prog rock setting...but apparently other guitarists as early as 1965 were doing it even on acoustic guitars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7M8L1rAUsI Edited by dr wu23 - May 13 2018 at 08:53 |
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Speaking of new ideas and guitarists....what about Frippertronics by Fripp...?
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Let's not forget that Rick Wakeman was the first man to simultaneously play a Hammond B3 and an ARP string synth whilst eating a chicken vindaloo at the same time.
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What the OP is talking about has more to do with the explosion of new instruments, mainly synths, that brought about the new and alien sounding music. New instruments bring about new sounds - even if the technique is 50 years old.
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This is a prog forum Simon. That is one of the four pillars The other 3? I forgot, but I'm pretty sure one has to do with beards. |
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I imagine some of the ways synthesizer sounds and samples were used were first explored (and performed & recorded) by certain adventurous/experimental artists who happened to be making music that was being called "art rock" or "progressive rock." Eno with sound manipulation. Bruford with Simmons drums. Levin with the ChapmanStick. Fripp with foot-pedal-initiated looping. I remember reading articles in Keyboard magazine from Peter Gabriel about his invention of gated drum sound for his third eponymously titled album recording sessions and from David Sylvian regarding "squeezing every sound possible" from a Prophet 5. Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, Trevor Horn, and Anne Dudley must've been having a field day with the Fairlight CMI. New technologies bred new sounds. So maybe I'm talking more about sounds than stylistic inventions, but the keyboard pitch-bender or portamento or computerized sequencing and sampling and wave-editing features are examples of technological innovations that resulted in new sounds and techniques.
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He wasn't the first to employ those techniques. Edited by Mascodagama - May 13 2018 at 09:10 |
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It's probably just safer to say that what prog musicians brought to the table, that indeed was new, was the way they merged styles of already existing musics in order to form something altogether new. Even moreso than what was attempted durng the 60s (jazz scene in particular), and what's perhaps even more interesting to these ears: nothing out there sounded like it! The young crowd buying these albums experienced music like they'd never heard before....and that is truly a wonderful feat. Being part of creating something unique.
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Wikipedia says Niccolo Paganini - admittedly on violin. Edited by Mascodagama - May 13 2018 at 13:03 |
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Jeffrey Hammond of Jethro Tull invented the claghorn.
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Speaking of violin:
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first that comes to mind is Ian Anderson
while he plays flute,a classical instrument ,his way of playing has a unique ''nasty'' sound (as said in interviews)using different technique idk if he is the first to come up with this. Now music always progress/evolves and while some instruments are widely explored in specific genres ,leaving little room for new things (electric guitar in blues/metal , sax in jazz) - new techniques in an instrument are usually brought up by virtuosos (in the specific instrument) or even by a non-virtuoso outside-of-the-box thinker and that has nothing to do with prog as a genre. for example ever heard of Michael Hedges? He is credited for the modern fingerstyle/percussive acoustic guitar style or whatever is called and not long ago i saw a guy doing that in a saxophone (melody-rhythm-singing) |
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Ian Anderson wasn't the first to use a "nasty" flute sound; jazz flautists like Roland Kirk had been doing it earlier (Kirk was also know for playing multiple saxophones at once, which inspired David Jackson of VdGG). However, I think he may have invented playing flute while standing on one leg!
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The same could also be said of heavy metal during the early 70s. Hearing that monstrous Iron Man riff for the first time as a young teenager, I knew I had to have that. |
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I was going to ask about David Jackson's multiple saxophone playing, but you already answered it. |
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