What bothers you in Prog Music? ( Pet Peeves ) |
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cstack3
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...these are a few of my favorite things!
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Atavachron
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Not getting to the point. |
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richardh
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^ all prog bothers you then? For me the drum sound can be just 'wrong' and that will spoil the whole thing. This is obviously a production issue. Good examples are Genesis - Nursery Chryme is wrong while Foxtrot is right. It goes along way to my appreciation of those albums.
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Any variation where any female fronted prog act old or modern gets compared to Annie Haslam and/or Renaissance, despite the fact that the band's music may sound nothing like either of the two!
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Predictable, archetypal, formulaic note, chord, progression, and lyrical theme choices.
Low hanging fruit ANYTHING drives me up a wall. At least try to make the fruit float, or something creative like that! Here's some floating fruit for just such an occasion:
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deafmoon
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What bothers me most about prog is when a keyboard player eats his take-out dinner on stage during another band members solo.
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hellogoodbye
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This is not a music for summer
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noni
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I agree...
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Mirror Image
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What bothers me is that this thread is even in existence! I always tout my progressive nerd credentials whenever I get the chance whether it be a t-shirt, constantly injecting some progressive rock musician/band into the conversation, etc. Be loud, be proud, be PROGRESSIVE!
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progmatic
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The same thing when a band features a flute and is immediately compared to Jethro Tull.
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PROGMATIC
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Atavachron
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No, just the unnecessarily distended. Genesis learned this after Gabriel left and in many ways improved. |
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Catcher10
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Yes I get it you love and adore the Beatles and they can do no wrong, I have no issue that you feel this way. Please, as much as the Beatles commanded the FM airwaves you would have to been 100% deaf to not hear their music during the 70's.......You did not need to buy all their albums to know their music, so yes I have a base to make my opinions and are not blanket statements. The problem is my statements go against what is dear and near to your heart and that pisses you off! To the point that you all have to create these elaborate posts, referencing articles and magazines and TV specials to defend them and your love of them. What made the Beatles was the people behind the Beatles in a lot of cases. In the studio Martin and other engineers created the soundscapes and techniques for their album's. The Fab Four just went along for the ride in many cases.... It's all good.........
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SteveG
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In a public forum, its hard to ignore any back and forth that concerns the Beatles. I'd like to stick in my 2 cents and guess that Catcher 10 is much younger than Dark Elf and does not share the same feelings of reverence that Dark Elf's generation (or his older sibling's generation) have for the Fabs. To some of us, the Beatles are the alpha and omega. For the rest they are early trendsetters of a music craze and are just as vague as the dusty predecessors of bluegrass music. People point to them in black and white film clips of Ed Sullivan Show performances, as if they were from some century that predates the 20th.
55 years is a long time to have such a hold on the present culture and I'm starting to worry where the reality of Beatles now ends and the myth of Beatles begins. Two are dead and two will follow in the coming years. I'd like to see the Fabs remembered for what they were and are. Average human beings, with all the standard faults and virtues of any other person. Except that they had the ability to change the course of popular music and have left their mark on it, regardless if they are liked or not.
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The Dark Elf
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"Love and adore" really has nothing to do with it. I am offering an objective musical and historical perspective to an uninformed poster. You are the one who stated "You don't get it.....I don't hate the Beatles.......I don't LISTEN to the Beatles, never have. My parents never did, my wife never did." But now you're weakly back-pedaling and basing your conclusions on vague memories of hit songs you might've heard on the radio in the 1970s, without ever listening to albums or doing any research whatsoever. That is why I suggest your opinions are uninformed, and your conclusions are baseless. An opinion without any legitimate basis or actual musical theory is merely a useless assumption.
For instance, you stated "If they had so much material as individual artists, it was not that good or it was against what was happening in the 70's....It did not work." Clearly, you either lived in a commune without electricity or are simply tone deaf not to be aware of a lot of superb and highly acclaimed solo material post-Beatles break-up. I offered several excellent albums, you chose to ignore what I said. Are you Amish?
Last time I checked, this is a music forum wherein allegedly intelligent posters discuss different aspects of bands in detail. It was my mistake to offer "elaborate posts, referencing articles and magazines and TV specials to defend them." In future, I will reply to you only in monosyllables and very short sentences so as not to tax your evidently limited attention span. Perhaps I will wave a piece of yarn to keep your interest, like I would for a cat.
I don't think anyone would argue that George Martin was not a brilliant producer. However, only Paul, John and George wrote the songs, and as you are evidently completely unaware of the Beatles' recording techniques and how the songs were formed, I would suggest the further the Beatles advanced, the more responsibility they took for content. Your statement would be just as asinine if you credited Alan Parsons as being solely responsible for Dark Side of the Moon. I'll leave you with with two George Martin quotes: “Because there wasn’t a rock’n’roll precedent, The Beatles when they came turned everything upside down and made a revolution, which I didn’t foresee.” “They did flower, they blossomed, and they astonished me with their ideas. Each song they brought to me was a gem, and I said to myself, ‘It can’t last.’ I’d say to them, ‘That’s great, now give me a better one.’ And they did." |
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Tapfret
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Ah, you must prefer the Hendrix model of barbequeing during his own solo. |
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richardh
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Actually agree with that last statement although it goes against most opinion. Banks was a much more lucid writer . That said Peter Gabriel's first 3 albums are as good as any Genesis post Gabriel albums imo.
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Lewian
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There is no such thing.
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Edited by Mascodagama - June 05 2018 at 07:04 |
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