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Cristi
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you are not wrong (LOL, sorry emoticons do not work for me)
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Lewian
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I also had a very positive relationship with post rock from the beginning. I was already into Talk Talk when Spirit of Eden came out and was mightily impressed. So relaxed, so much attention to detail and so little distraction from the sound (including the voice) and the rhythm. Later in the mid nineties I got to know Tortoise, Hood etc. and saw a number of German bands influenced by them (mostly not on PA and fairly unknown) and it struck me how taking away rock elements that either annoyed me (posing!) or I had suspected that one can do without (standard song structure, solos, vocals or at least standard lead singer style vocals) left something that made a lot of sense to me (and I've got to admit, leaving out elements for which my instrumental abilities aren't good enough also encouraged and influenced my own music) - with warmth, relaxation, melancholy, but still the forward driving energy of the rhythm that keeps it all together. It felt somehow that I could have had this kind of music in my mind forever and maybe I even had, but outside influence meant that it felt inferior to me before somebody else was enough of the bold artist type that can recognize such a vision and put it into the world without having such stuff already around. For this reason also the genre name makes some sense to me. I hadn't thought about it as being part of "prog" though before I found this site, but I'm fine with it being here - actually to me "prog" is a much more problematic descriptor than "post rock", so the discussion to what extent post rock is part of "progressive rock" is more a discussion about the meaning of the latter than the former. I see the connection though. One thing more, although the similarities are still there, emotionally the likes of Neu! and Glenn Branca feel quite different to me, to the extent that I could only relate to Neu! emotionally far later than I discovered post rock for me. I knew them before post rock but they'd leave me very cold at the time; I'd perceive them too much as being located in an emotional nowhereland and their music felt like "study" to me, trying this stuff out for the sake of exploration, rather than expression of something I could relate to. |
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that's not a valid criticism. please develop further. "dull" is just about the most wrong term you could use to describe this album unless you're allergic to ambient music
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Average Post-Rock fan: Godspeed's Lift Your Skinny Fists is amazing! Four sides, four songs? Genius.
Average Prog-Rock fan: Topographic Oceans is a bloated mess. Too much padding and filler. Awful. (But Oldfield's Incantations and The Softies' Third are brilliant.) Me: I love it all. My wife: I'm outta here.
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Because calling a genre post rock sounds better than calling it post grunge.
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Obviously, a head is not necessary for thinking. Just ask my taste buds, stomach, and male member.
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Agreed! |
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My question would be: If Simon Reynolds (the man credited with "coining" the term "Post Rock" when reviewing Graham Sutton's BARK PSYCHOSIS album, Hex) was referring to the music of Hex with his term assignation, what did he call all of those David Sylvian albums in the 1980s? And Eno and Deuter and Moebus-Rodelius, etc.?
P.S. I like the minimalist rock with crescendo descriptions. But, then, where do all the drumless neoclassical bands like Cicada, Sunwrae, and Five-Storey Ensemble fit? (Does progressive rock have to have the three-, four-, or five-piece rock combo at its core?)
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Dull because I can listen to it and not be able to remember anything of it after it's finished.
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Actually there IS a term of a style of music called post grunge :P Shouldn't all 21st century prog be called post-prog?
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Someone mentioned Stereolab not too long ago and i quickly shot them down. I'm a huge STereolab fan. Have most of their albums. Much of their music was based off of Krautrock actually. I could see prog related. They basically created their whole career by stealing a style that Family Fodder put out on one song on their debut album.
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I love post rock. I am not so much an expert as to speak much on it, but I like how it takes its time and really has a tendency to come together strong. I think it is a wonderful vessel for deep emotive content. Bands like Red Sparrowes and Isis really do it for me. I'm babbling, I know, but it is difficult to speak about an entire genre without being just a little vague.
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No genre can be described objectively. Definition will always differ from person to person, therefore post-rock is whatever you think it is. All discussions about "this is post-rock" or "this is not post-rock" (or any genre) are bound to be a waste of time and energy.
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OK, if it's whatever we think it is, i'll choose this |
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I completely agree. Beyond friendly analysis and discussion, this almost always devolved into someone arguing personally with another, or suddenly a band is singled out (all of a sudden one of the newer threads is all about The Beatles, lol). Good for reference, bad for deep discussion IMHO.
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Regular Prog: _—**—^—**—__—=*###*=—_ Post-rock: _______—————====^^^§§§!!!!_ Avant/ RIO: #_]>~€_}}…$§|***,.£@ Simple, really. Edited by Mascodagama - May 22 2018 at 02:52 |
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This makes a strange amount of sense. Might be the best post in this thread so far.
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Man With Hat
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Progressive rock definitely does need to be rock at his core. I don't think it really matters if it's a two piece of a 18 piece, but it can't be progressive ROCK without the rock. And you've answered you own question RE: Cicade and FSE.
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Love it! So post-commentary!!!!! |
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