Tangerine Dream "Extended" Albums

Oh God, here's Mosh again.

"I think, that you and Dave forget that there are 40 years in between and that the equipment changed, and improved"

Mosh. 

In case you weren't paying attention, I have BUILT my own modular synth - component by component - over two and a half years. I am designing my own analogue modular synth from first principles. I am absolutely fully aware of what the equipment is and was and it didn't improve, it just changed. 

I think I'm a bit more highly qualified to talk about the equipment than you are, and yes, I did notice 40 years had gone past and what happened to equipment in the interim. 

So you seem to think that I "had it easy" by using modern equipment and it was much more difficult for Tangerine Dream ? Actually, I don't have modern equipment. I have vintage equipment which I built myself. Tangerine Dream just paid Bob Moog for a modular and it arrived in a crate. I spent several years with a soldering iron. 

"and the problems inherent in playing in conditions that Dave can not even conceive and appreciate, and instead thinks that what he does is superior."

I certainly can, Mosh. I get the same ones, only less so due to better tolerance in electronic components. Shall we have a chat about that or do you actually know nothing about the subject ? 

As for superior, nope. "Different". 

Mosh. Could you do me a favour ? Go off, learn electronics, build a synthesizer (any kind), learn to actually play music to a high standard (other than chord twanging) and then come back and make some valid statements other than the usual incomprehensible, off topic, irrelevant, ill informed, irritating posts which you seem to specialise in ? 

"like playing in Poland in less than zero degree weather ... and somehow they managed and it even made an album! Would you even have tried? I'm not sure Dave can even consider moving that much of his equipment for a concert."

Now now, Mosh, big concert in Poland, lots of people, yep, I'd do that. ;-) 

Edited by Davesax1965 - July 24 2018 at 01:37

philipemery wrote: I don't call preprogrammed sequencer melodies complex. Time consuming yes.  ...

philipemery wrote: I am not denying they are super influential in synth wave and all that

Edited by Modrigue - July 19 2018 at 02:00

I don't call preprogrammed sequencer melodies complex. Time consuming yes. Edgar's guitar style isn't actually that innovative or nuanced (as a guitar player myself I can tell you). I'd say 90's TD didn't suffer from complexity, as much as mediocrity. There is a difference. Having a lot of notes and difficult arpeggios doesn't make something good. Making something deliberately complicated and flashy, just to be flashy and complicated, is bad. And that is all TD does from 1980 onwards. They are just being flashy.

I am not denying they are super influential in synth wave and all that. I'd say there is no band more influential on that front. I am just saying that what they produced after around Stratosfear (for me) is just sub par and not really interesting to me.

I am a big vocal guy myself, and have huge respect for Gentle Giant's baroque and chorale type harmonies (especially songs like "On Reflection" which is a four part fugue, and beyond complicated to sing).

Yeah... because when I listen to the Wall or Final Cut, Brahms like orchestration and complex musicianship doesn't pop out at all... Probably why it isn't being turned into an opera... oh wait.

Gentle Giant is very hard to get into. Took a long time to adjust myself, just because the music itself isn't very inviting.



Edited by philipemery - July 18 2018 at 16:00

Chris Jenkins wrote: Modrigue wrote: [QUOTE=philipemery]I'd argue that no one tries to imitate their later work because it is sub-standard and not at all memorable compared to their earlier stuff. Yes, that's their VERY late work - ie from 1990, post Paul Haslinger. I don't think anyone finds that memorable. Their 'later than Peter Baumann' work, around 1978-86, was I would argue mainly memorable stuff.

 

Modrigue wrote: [QUOTE=philipemery]I'd argue that no one tries to imitate their later work because it is sub-standard and not at all memorable compared to their earlier stuff.

Oh yeah, I absolutely agree that Magma, Yes, Crimson et al are leagues ahead of TD in terms of composition. That's why no-one sits down and thinks 'I'll just knock out a quick Magma soundalike album this afternoon', as they do with TD. But, I maintain that while there are plenty of imitators of early TD, with the easy non-stop sequences, no-one much tries to imitate their later work, which does actually require some compositional input.