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TiddK
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There probably wasn't even such a thing as 'rock music' before the mid-60s - The Beatles, along with the Stones, The Who, The Animals, The Kinks, etc helped to invent the medium out of a fusion of what had gone before. That was rock'n'roll (itself a fusion), R&B which emerged from blues, with elements of soul and jazz and - let us not forget - British "Music Hall". You mustn't underestimate the power of the pirates - before that, young people tuned religiously into the very limited pop output of the BBC including TV shows, the ITV shows, and perhaps most important, Radio Luxembourg in the evenings despite the awful signal. When pirates came along in the wake of Beatlemania kids bought transistor radios just to listen to the all-day pirates, and from there they went to record stores in their droves, listened again there, and bought what they liked. It was the limited availability of broadcast rock and pop which made it so valuable and powerful to us back then.
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SteveG
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The UK had pirates. The US had Ed Sullivan. The result was the same: Beatlemania!
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SteveG
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I know I said that I'd stick to the topic, but was UK pirate radio a reaction to the Beatles or was the Beatles a result of UK pirate radio? The first UK pirate Radio Caroline first broadcast sometime in 1964.
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The.Crimson.King
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Don't forget the self proclaimed "5th Beatle", Murray the K
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The band House of Love has a wonderful song dedicated to the power of the music of (both) The Beatles and the Stones (called, perhaps unsurprisingly, "The Beatles and the Stones").
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I think it was the same thing with the radio short wave invasion of the Communist world, by playing Beatles, Rolling Stones and many other bands ... it got the youngsters attention, which I think helped bring things to a major change eventually. There were several doing this in the 60's and 70's. There is a song, by Guru Guru on their album TANGO FANGO that kinda mentions the differences in music between East and West Germany and makes a nice satire of the whole thing, but in the end, it's feedback and rock music ... as the new representatives of the young folks, in both countries. I always find that piece fascinating, despite my not understanding German, but the intent is quite obvious and fun. The book about "krautrock" (Future Days) also discusses this a lot. So, yes, there is a lot to be said about non-commercial radio and its place in the airwaves. I do wish, however, that the Internet took on a bit more of that spirit ... though too much of the material out there is just fan-raves for the same record companies and top selling/sounding bands. It's really hard to find something original, that doesn't go back to a "known" piece of music 5 minutes later!
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The.Crimson.King
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Maybe, but a god doesn't always get his way. After all, Jim Morrison did sing, "girl we couldn't get much HIGHER" against Sullivan's orders
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I was in Finland for part of the 60s, and there was some Beatles music on the radio by 65 but not the Stones. Also, covers of Beatles songs, very light rock style. By 69 it was an hour or two of pop music on the radion. State independent FM stations did not appear till about 1980.
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^As a Finn I would not say so. Although prog has some popularity here in the begin of 2000, I think it could have always said to be here less or more underground.
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I think prog is underground everywhere.
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Some years ago I knew a guy from Liverpool who had seen The Beatles at The Cavern, and he insisted that Abba were better songwriters. All I could think of was, I wish I could find someone who was jealous of me for growing up in the mid to late 70's in Australia.
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I’m listening to This Was. I never bought the LP and only jumped on to being a Tull fan by Benefit (lots of air play) and Stand Up. I can see the influence of This Was and the somewhat more experimental style. But all in all I would not say they were still much in the category of basic rock, not far from the White Album or Abbey Road. I had some more progressive albums at the time, mostly from cutout bins,as they were not selling in the US. I eventually got This Was as CD. My college days favorite was Thick as a Brick, not Aqualung. By then I had Pink Floyd albums as well.
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I've never thought that Ian could have been a Beatles fan, so no surprise. The best beatles album for me is Abbey Road, their only prog effort. The side long track, even if made of short songs tied together is for me a true prog track.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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^Well, a lot of people say Sgt. Peppers is prog also. I wouldn't say Abbey Road is their only prog album. Nope. I think they hinted at prog but never really made the leap. Then again neither did the Rolling Stones. The Beatles did sew the seeds for the genre but they weren't the only ones.
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really don't mind if I sit this one out---but I'll chime in---The Beatles were part of bringing British music to USA--all my fav groups are British ---both of them Yes and Genesis have said that as young lads the Beatles opened up the possibilities of music --so thanks Beatles----I enjoyed both The Beatles and the Stones (especially those early Stones albums) but wasn't obsessed by either---I was more into American bands like CSNY Joni (know she's Canadian) Laura Nyro and the Doors.
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Well....Zappa was even more obvious He said about The Shaggs "They are better than the Beatles" You can say sarcastic, joke..Yes....But clearly not a Beatles fan.
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