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Like I said. Go one beyond the genesis show and extend the hell out of Watcher. I once was drinking pre-gig in Manchester with Pallas..Crowd of about six...asking them to extend the tracks and give us pomposity and mellotron to die for...Thus .March on atlantis..extended out to 40 mins at least...best gig I ever saw...

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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Like I said. Go one beyond the genesis show and extend the hell out of Watcher. I once was drinking pre-gig in Manchester with Pallas..Crowd of about six...asking them to extend the tracks and give us pomposity and mellotron to die for...Thus .March on atlantis..extended out to 40 mins at least...best gig I ever saw...


There is inspired pomposity and forced pomposity.

In my opinion, the instrumental beginning of Watching is beautiful but the following does not maintain expectations. Sometimes it happens that you find an excellent instrumental passage, but then this makes, with its repetition, the song too ... caged. Another excellent example of pomposity is the solo to the organ (I guess) by Wakeman in the middle of Close to the Edge. There the effect is very pompous, it seems the sound of an organ concert in a cathedral but in my opinion it is well suited to the piece, it reaches a great pathos.
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I saw a Pink Floyd tribute band do the extended songs bullsh*t once in Sweden, the whole first half of the set was songs from The Wall and TFC, and they extended almost every song sometimes by up to about 5 minutes, turning it into a kind of jazz free for all, with several instruments taking solos....it was extremely f***ing boring. People don't go to see (as in this case a sit-down concert in a theatre) a tribute band to hear extended solos, and posturing, they want to hear the songs faithfully reproduced. A cover band can do whatever they want but not a tribute band.
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

I saw a Pink Floyd tribute band do the extended songs bullsh*t once in Sweden, the whole first half of the set was songs from The Wall and TFC, and they extended almost every song sometimes by up to about 5 minutes, turning it into a kind of jazz free for all, with several instruments taking solos....it was extremely f***ing boring. People don't go to see (as in this case a sit-down concert in a theatre) a tribute band to hear extended solos, and posturing, they want to hear the songs faithfully reproduced. A cover band can do whatever they want but not a tribute band.

I'd agree that there's a difference between a cover band and a tribute band, in regards to expectations.

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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Like I said. Go one beyond the genesis show and extend the hell out of Watcher. I once was drinking pre-gig in Manchester with Pallas..Crowd of about six...asking them to extend the tracks and give us pomposity and mellotron to die for...Thus .March on atlantis..extended out to 40 mins at least...best gig I ever saw...



There is inspired pomposity and forced pomposity.

In my opinion, the instrumental beginning of Watching is beautiful but the following does not maintain expectations. Sometimes it happens that you find an excellent instrumental passage, but then this makes, with its repetition, the song too ... caged. Another excellent example of pomposity is the solo to the organ (I guess) by Wakeman in the middle of Close to the Edge. There the effect is very pompous, it seems the sound of an organ concert in a cathedral but in my opinion it is well suited to the piece, it reaches a great pathos.


It's just about what happens with Watcher of the Skies for me too. Just give Hackett's version on Tokyo Tapes a try... somehow I do find that one so much better... warmer, and Wetton's performance much less annoying... I do love that version... I don't really understand how I can rather dislike an original and love so much a later version, specially since it's rather faithful to the original anyway. About that section on CttE, it's indeed a church organ, and when I was getting into Yes (and prog), it was one of my first albums, and that section was one of the hooks that kept me coming back to the song, until I got it and loved it all.
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

I saw a Pink Floyd tribute band do the extended songs bullsh*t once in Sweden, the whole first half of the set was songs from The Wall and TFC, and they extended almost every song sometimes by up to about 5 minutes, turning it into a kind of jazz free for all, with several instruments taking solos....it was extremely f***ing boring. People don't go to see (as in this case a sit-down concert in a theatre) a tribute band to hear extended solos, and posturing, they want to hear the songs faithfully reproduced. A cover band can do whatever they want but not a tribute band.


That's strange... perhaps in theory it should have worked, since Pink Floyd was very much into that (jamming and extending their songs, specially before Dark Side). But then, I guess that's what made Pink Floyd so special, being able to pull those things out.
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What would probably make Watcher of the Skies better is if they inserted some part of Sussudio into the middle of it. That way you can sit there staring at a wall holding your bucket of drool and then all of sudden go into a dancing frenzy. All of this while trying to hold in a fart that you really think might be some squirts.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

What would probably make Watcher of the Skies better is if they inserted some part of Sussudio into the middle of it. That way you can sit there staring at a wall holding your bucket of drool and then all of sudden go into a dancing frenzy. All of this while trying to hold in a fart that you really think might be some squirts.

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Thanks for the replies, so far.  I think the tentative plan is to do the In the Cage medley like they did it on the Mama tour... (In the Cage/Cinema Show/In That Quiet Earth/The Colony of Slippermen/Afterglow). 


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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

^ Nail on head. Of course its all about subjective opinion, but anybody who sits outside a FK concert while they are performing GOD, which I think is a bit too short for my liking, aint having an opinion which I link with a symphonic prog fan..

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I think that an extended version of Seven Stones would have been better on Selling England than the awful Collins dirge. Mind you if a tribute band played only eighties Genesis in my back garden...I would close the curtains...
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Originally posted by Lamneth Lamneth wrote:

Thanks for the replies, so far.  I think the tentative plan is to do the In the Cage medley like they did it on the Mama tour... (In the Cage/Cinema Show/In That Quiet Earth/The Colony of Slippermen/Afterglow). 
If you manage to master that, kudos to you, the audience will enjoy it a lot!!
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Originally posted by Lamneth Lamneth wrote:

Thanks for the replies, so far.  I think the tentative plan is to do the In the Cage medley like they did it on the Mama tour... (In the Cage/Cinema Show/In That Quiet Earth/The Colony of Slippermen/Afterglow). 
Ermm well its your band + you live on another continent so why should I care.
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Originally posted by Lamneth Lamneth wrote:

Thanks for the replies, so far.  I think the tentative plan is to do the In the Cage medley like they did it on the Mama tour... (In the Cage/Cinema Show/In That Quiet Earth/The Colony of Slippermen/Afterglow). 



Oh, I usually hate medleys... they just leave me wanting to hear all the songs in their complete form and end up enjoying none of the pieces of songs represented, for I get frustrated when I'm enjoying the music and it just changes to something different. That is, assuming I like all the songs represented.
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Originally posted by Lamneth Lamneth wrote:

Thanks for the replies, so far.  I think the tentative plan is to do the In the Cage medley like they did it on the Mama tour... (In the Cage/Cinema Show/In That Quiet Earth/The Colony of Slippermen/Afterglow). 

That's always been the highlight of the post-70s Genesis concert. I'm sure it will be a highlight in yours too. Best of luck! Clap
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Nahhhhh ... I'm just going to put on some Anthony Phillips ... forget Genesis!
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Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

When I'm going to a Genesis tribute show, I wan't to hear The Knife.

I'd vote for The Knife as well. It's just prog enough and just catchy enough that everyone will love it. Plus Trespass is one of my favorite albums by Genesis so it's good to keep the pre-Collins / Hackett lineup alive :)

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