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Poll Question: Which best descibes how you feel about Peter Hammill's voice?
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and one for the haters.

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I'm not very experienced with the VDGG/PH discography but I havce certainly heard songs where his voice is perfect for the song.  Solo tracks like "Breakdown" and "handicap and Equality" come to mind
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Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

and one for the haters.

good thing you chose the LP version; it is way better than the CD version


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Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

Despite all the options, none describe my feelings. There are some songs where his singing gives me adrenaline rushes because it's so intense and good. But there are other songs where that intensity seems over the top and I don't like it at all. So my choice would be: Love it AND hate it.
 
This was an unanticipated reply. It never occurred to me that people could choose mixed as distinct from neutral. On the other hand, not everything that Peter Hammill did appeals to me, especially from his solo work. But in spite of this, I still regard him as a genius with an amazing voice.
 
 
 
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It's poetry rather than singing - like Roger Waters, John Lennon, Bob Dylan and Jim Morrison. It's an aquired taste that requires a bit of patience.
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Most beloved of all acquired tastes.
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Love it ... his voice is like a fine instrument, Peter Hammill is tops. 




Edited by Enchant X - April 12 2019 at 08:03
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I 'like' him from a very technical perspective.  I can sit and marvel at what all he is able to do.  But as for emotional connection, zero for me.  There is a particular vocal placement (very forward sounding but without say Freddie's brightness and purity) he uses which seems to be peculiar to British male singers.  Loads of them in Britpop/90s alt rock have it, particularly Thom Yorke (and I don't like it in his voice either).  The online voice coach Carl Wehden also uses it and again, it just turns me off. Oh wait, Halford too and again, I don't particularly like THAT quality but because he is singing metal and screaming in head voice half the time, I don't notice it so much but I really dislike it in songs like Dreamer/Deceiver.Actually, come to think of it, barring a few exceptions (and these tend to be the ones who sing in a more conventional style such as would easily cross over to America), I have always related to American singers more.  And I have never heard this kind of placement in other European singers, be they Francesco Di Giacomo or Klaus Meine or Agnetha.
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Yeah I voted, 'Love it." I think it's really great.
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I'm with it, man.
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Love it but, unlike the OP, can certainly see and understand why people would hate it.
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Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

It's poetry rather than singing - like Roger Waters, John Lennon, Bob Dylan and Jim Morrison. It's an acquired taste that requires a bit of patience.

And I think that is the part that rock fans and top ten fannies, are not capable of appreciating ... it's like they are looking for all the notes in Joe Cocker's voice, or Roger Chapman's, and they simply can not appreciate the ability they have to make the lyric and the song come alive like no one else could. It's also a bit of ACTING, although that part is not as visible otherwise. Roy Harper also fits the bill ... the expression is so clear and so strong ... it stands out!
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Intensity / Dramatic Expression (sometimes over the top, I admit) !

... and being a substantial part of the  identity of VDGG, make him one of my most beloved singers in rock (not mentioning the composer, but that's not the point here and now)
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

I guess is not his voice, but his delivery that I don't really get. I don't dislike it though, it just doesn't appeal to my taste.

Well said...that sums it up for me.

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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Intensity / Dramatic Expression (sometimes over the top, I admit) !

... and being a substantial part of the  identity of VDGG, make him one of my most beloved singers in rock (not mentioning the composer, but that's not the point here and now)

Over the top is a hard thing to identify and use ... for example, in theater history, everyone thought that Marlon Brando screaming STELLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAA so loud, is what made Tennessee Williams and the Acting Studio famous ... it was heard LOUD AND CLEAR, so much so that they could not even film it right!

The same thing happened in England ... in the mid 50's when the so-called "Angry Young Men" stood up and created a type of theater that is not quite enjoyed in America, just like Tennessee Williams is not quite enjoyed in London! It has a tone, that is "over the top", and one could even say, that Lawrence Olivier and Richard Burton stood out in this department and then some.

In rock music, though, can we say that Roger is also over the top in his famous scream? I don't think so ... it was there to make a point, and well it did, and then some ... we we still hear it and like the song, and its powerful "gut" ... screaming for some freedom! It is an important moment and definition of that song, that might not otherwise have stood out. I would even suggest the Beatles were also guilty ... extending a piano note ... for what might not even be a point at all ... or doing a live recording walking down the street and calling it #9 and everyone thinking it is an important piece of something or other ... you can do this walking down the street ... it won't be exactly the same, but the feeling is almost the same! How's that for "over the top"? To actually think that they can do anything and we will think it is important!
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Sometimes "over the top" makes the point, that's for sure Big smile anyway the guy is not for everyone's taste and sometimes not an easy listening even for fans (not you?)
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Intensity / Dramatic Expression (sometimes over the top, I admit) !

... and being a substantial part of the  identity of VDGG, make him one of my most beloved singers in rock (not mentioning the composer, but that's not the point here and now)


Over the top is a hard thing to identify and use ... for example, in theater history, everyone thought that Marlon Brando screaming STELLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAA so loud, is what made Tennessee Williams and the Acting Studio famous ... it was heard LOUD AND CLEAR, so much so that they could not even film it right!

The same thing happened in England ... in the mid 50's when the so-called "Angry Young Men" stood up and created a type of theater that is not quite enjoyed in America, just like Tennessee Williams is not quite enjoyed in London! It has a tone, that is "over the top", and one could even say, that Lawrence Olivier and Richard Burton stood out in this department and then some.

In rock music, though, can we say that Roger is also over the top in his famous scream? I don't think so ... it was there to make a point, and well it did, and then some ... we we still hear it and like the song, and its powerful "gut" ... screaming for some freedom! It is an important moment and definition of that song, that might not otherwise have stood out. I would even suggest the Beatles were also guilty ... extending a piano note ... for what might not even be a point at all ... or doing a live recording walking down the street and calling it #9 and everyone thinking it is an important piece of something or other ... you can do this walking down the street ... it won't be exactly the same, but the feeling is almost the same! How's that for "over the top"? To actually think that they can do anything and we will think it is important!


I expect you are talking about Careful with that Axe, Eugene, when you say his famous scream. I certainly can't think of any other recording using just a scream in such an effective and protagonic way. For all the extreme vocals on some metal acts and such, they all stand behind what Roger was able to do there. Still, if you want to know what that song sounds like without the famous scream, there are a few ones on the new early box sets (at least one) without the scream... some of them joined with Green is the Color. And then, there's the original studio one, which even though it actually features the scream, it's much lower in the volume (I much prefer the live version, specially the more famous one on Ummagumma).
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Best male voice in prog. That's all I have to say.


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Hard to disagree. Scorched Earth gives me goosebumps every time I hear and really it's down to Hammill.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Absolutely love his voice. Very divisive prog band in general. Top tier for me.
 

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